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Old 07.11.2014, 22:55
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But if that's the case, she shouldn't blame "the Swiss" for her husband having shitty friends. I'm curious where he's from (the sticks or a city).
I think she's hanging out with the wrong Swiss crowd. Seems like they moved back to her husband's childhood neighborhood, and the man regressed and forgot about the rest of the world. I would wager they live within 15 minutes of Mami, Papi, Oma und Opa.

Get away from there OP, they are trouble makers and a bad influence.


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Old 07.11.2014, 23:11
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Stop trying to be accepted and start accepting the people who make you smile and care about you. Doors will open to beautiful rooms you had no idea existed.
Thank you! Reading posts like this makes me glad to see it come of age.

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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

Hi there Zombieswiss. Thank you for writing all of your experiences on this. I know from experience how hard it is to articulate. I've been married to a Swiss woman for almost 20 years. I was shocked to realize that there is such a huge cultural difference between America and Switzerland. At first, I was naive. I expected that people would like me or dislike me based on our conversations. I was taken aback by the instant anti-Americanism. And then simply the opinionizing on everything, with it all coming back to "Schweizer qualitaet." Many Swiss I have met are just convinced that what they believe is correct, that Switzerland is really the only conscious, aware, correct, and beautiful country that exists, and everyone else is ignorant. I have to ask myself if maybe I feel the same way in reverse, which I suppose could be true to an extent. But I really do not actively live out this type of chauvinism, and so many Swiss I meet do.

I can say that there are also people who are far more relaxed and enjoying having a good life, rather than always being in the conversation about how right Switzerland is and how wrong everything else is. There is a woman I met once who has a group of people she knows in Zuerich (she is a professional dancer), and they sound very, well, normal. That is what I miss, just people having a good time and not having it be about Switzerland vs the world.

We live near Thun (I am here three months of the year and my wife is here six months). This is a great area for me because of the lake, swimming, skiing, some good restaurants, and some really great people my wife has introduced me to. She is a life coach and works with many people who are just trying to live the best life possible. So we have a nice community of people around us who are not so caught up in what you described so well in your post. But to tell you the truth some of my favorite people of all here (besides my wife!) are our Irish friends who live nearby! So warm, friendly, inviting, including.

So I write all that maybe to say there is hope, it's not all boring, there are activities like live music (come see the concert of my original classical music in Bern on December 13!), all the sporting stuff like skiing, swimming, hikig, and biking, some good food, and of course lots and lots of beautiful alps. Not to mention some very pretty cows.
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Old 08.11.2014, 00:08
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Can I throw in Swiss driving as being the worst I have ever encountered
What, you've never been to the US, B, P, or D?

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Old 08.11.2014, 00:10
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68+% around here.



Strangely, this would apply far more to my 100% Swiss wife than me.

She doesn't fit in, and she doesn't care, but as a Swiss, she doesn't have to.

And she complains about the Swiss stares that I never notice, go figure.

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To put the record straight, the Ticinesi are NOT xenophobes. BUT fear to be swallowed by the Italian Republic. And feel not to be taken seriously by either the rest of Switzerland or else Italy
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I remain an outsider in HIS inside world.... I have read nearly every book available on Swiss culture (and there are not surprisingly MANY books dealing with the culture shock from this strange lot).

I will never feel at home... I am watching Youtube and DVD comedy shows just for a laugh, because I seem to be STARVED of a good laugh here.... In rural villages people have lived there 20 years and are still considered outsiders.
Oh dear... I think that's me in a few years. I was hoping it would get better.
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Old 08.11.2014, 00:16
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Not to mention some very pretty cows.
And sheep.
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Old 08.11.2014, 00:16
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To put the record straight, the Ticinesi are NOT xenophobes. BUT fear to be swallowed by the Italian Republic. And feel not to be taken seriously by either the rest of Switzerland or else Italy
Indeed.

My wife will deny any association with Italy, despite her mother (and thus half her family) being Italian.

However, there is good reason in her case for despising most of her Italian relatives, so the situation is somewhat complex.

Still, there are some we like.

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Old 08.11.2014, 00:18
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And sheep.
You've been googling 'fetlife', haven't you?

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Old 08.11.2014, 00:19
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

Being a bit of a swissophile I really wanted to skewer the OP with a righteous retort. But I just couldn't. There is just enough truth hidden in that strop (as much as I love this place) and so much pain there that I can only feel for someone being stuck here when they so badly do not want to be. There are certainly those who will never enjoy living here, for whom no amount of time and effort will help - and I fear OP is one of them. I can't fault her for stating her opinion truthfully (albeit lacking in perspective - which I guess is natural if you are in a bit of an unhappy place).

That said, I always wonder at people who say a place is "boring". The concept is so completely subjective and seems to me to be more of an issue of attitude in the perceiver than an actual quality of a place. I am not saying this to be unkind, but I have lived in remote Canadian northern communities with few amenities and too-long winters and have been able to find the charm of them. It does not take much - some flexibility, a little open mindedness, a few new hobbies and a library card. Not much opportunity for clubbing and fine dining? Thats OK - there IS snow mobiles and curling! Certainly one could fare no worse in Switzerland than Tumbler Ridge, BC?
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it is a golden cage, Switzerland and now just feel sorry for the Swiss as they have lots of money but no souls.
Complaining about the country you live in can become a bad habit. I still remember complaining like crazy while I was young in Cuba. I used to rightfully complain about everything, I hated it so much there ...

After so many years in Switzerland I some times surprise myself complaining about things here too, then I simply slap myself on the spot and feel very happy to be here. Maybe you can try self slapping yourself too? It is done like this:


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Agree with the OP on this.
Most of the people I know just accept it and live life the best they can here, all you need are a few good friends to complain to about the swiss, a few hobbies and something to do on sundays!

My swiss neigbours are the sort that really dont like foreigners, when they see or hear me approaching they would sneak back inside their flat until ive gone and Ive also seen them stay in their car waitng for me to go in the building first before getting out, just to avoid me. Imagine if somehow we were sharing the lift that would really freak them out.

Funny enough I bumped into my other (Itallien) neigbour for the first time in 2years and the first thing he did was complain to me how boring it was here! - lack of culture and life!

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Amazing first post! It makes me missing the warm of my home country and the people. And the weather today in ZH doesn't really help
Maybe you just can't find your heart here yet, despite your OH being a Swiss. I share some of your points and so do some people here. But as said by other posters, we try to make it work or just live with it.

The weather in Zürich on Friday, between 11AM and 4PM was nice and sunny and relatively warm



Has he
- been to the many museums
- been in the opera house
- been at concerts
- been to the theatre
- been at exhibitions
- contributed to culture himself
- read German language or French language books
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OR is he just missing the culture he was used to at home when young

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- read German language or French language books
It took me three years to be able to read and understand very well my first novel in Romansh. With four national languages, that's already 12 years of OP's life in Switzerland boredomless (I miss the word for "kurzweilig", the opposite of langweilig", is there one in English?)
Just enough to file the naturalization file and get this interview done and spend the rest of her life learning Walliserdeutsch.

Dear OP, your life is now all planned up.
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Has he
- been to the many museums
- been in the opera house
- been at concerts
- been to the theatre
- been at exhibitions
- contributed to culture himself
- read German language or French language books
That's boring stuff - fitting in with someone else's ready-made culture. What about having a good laugh with your mates in the pub? Or going shopping in your pyjamas at 3am, or painting your house purple, or just doing your own thing and not worrying about whether the neighbours approve. That's how real culture develops. Not some stuffy, robotic culture preserved in formalin.
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That's boring stuff - fitting in with someone else's ready-made culture. What about having a good laugh with your mates in the pub? Or going shopping in your pyjamas at 3am, or painting your house purple, or just doing your own thing and not worrying about whether the neighbours approve. That's how real culture develops. Not some stuffy, robotic culture preserved in formalin.
Sounds like fun but you know you can't really do all of these things here, don't you?
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