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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

I had the same experience that the OP.
Had to go to an emergency dentist practice. If I was VERY glad to be able to walk in, I was very surprised that only certain people would perform a root canal, others only do fillings and only their "surgeon" would extract a tooth ...

When I went there again for a broken tooth and their recommendation was to extract the tooth, otherwise I could get an infection within "just a couple of days" , I decided to get a second opinion.

Found another dentist, that didn't agree with their recommendation and replaced the filling.

It really seem to be a tendency by the dentists to try to go the "easy" way: take the teeth out and push for implants or crones - for expensive procedures.
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elsewhere at a much more reasonable cost.
I will have the implant done in South Africa for 1000 chf.
Cheaper even including flight costs.
Who in their right mind pays around 6000 chf in Zurich?(Swiss Smile quote).

You deserve 3rd prize: 5 tooth extraction vouchers.
First prize is 1 tooth extraction.voucher

I did not speak about the Prices. Recommended are dentists in Bratislava/Slovakia and in Budapest/Hungary


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I've been going to Dr McDermott in Zurich and can really recommend him. After having another dentist suggest I have my wisdom teeth removed, Dr McDermott said that he'd rather try to save them .
Well if the wisdom teeth don't negatively affect or it's very likely to affect the neighbouring teeth in the future I suppose no honest and competent dentist would recommend to have them removed.
I had only one wisdom tooth removed and the dentist took a long time to explain me why he thinks it's the best solution, I also did my research and agreed with him. Plus I could feel it myself it was so not in the right place and it was only half grown, there was no space left for it I suppose. Sometimes it's a good decision, and obviously not financially motivated.
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I've been going to Dr McDermott in Zurich and can really recommend him. After having another dentist suggest I have my wisdom teeth removed, Dr McDermott said that he'd rather try to save them and did some fairly complicated maneuvers involving advanced gymnastics and a scaffolding around my face to do some fillings in hard to reach places.
Second this recommendation.
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Having been exploring info about alternative treatments to root canal I came across this sort of articles: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...led-teeth.aspx

They seem to be dissuading from the root canal treatment as it's deemed to be unhealthy causing further complications resulting from bacteria forming in dead tooth and entering the blood stream. Extraction seems to be a viable option. Implants as a matter of fact with having foreign objects entering your jaw bone not so cool. Welcome to cyborg's world. Business and moral grounds aside, I wonder what dentistry world truly thinks about it?
I think this guy has some very good points. They really seem to have done some proper
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I think this guy has some very good points. They really seem to have done some proper
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Maybe I dodged a bullet
Sorry Mark, but that guy is running against all results of serous research. As NotAllThere stated, he is a quack. Next he will start selling tin foil hats or tachyon bracelets.
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I think this guy has some very good points. They really seem to have done some proper
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Maybe I dodged a bullet
See, I provided you with first hand resources and earned me groan in the other post Swiss Dentist hell

Sometimes one really needs to filter BS from medical facts:


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Having been exploring info about alternative treatments to root canal I came across this sort of articles: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...led-teeth.aspx

They seem to be dissuading from the root canal treatment as it's deemed to be unhealthy causing further complications resulting from bacteria forming in dead tooth and entering the blood stream. Extraction seems to be a viable option. Implants as a matter of fact with having foreign objects entering your jaw bone not so cool. Welcome to cyborg's world. Business and moral grounds aside, I wonder what dentistry world truly thinks about it?
I can't believe you posted a link to that charlatan's website.
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Sorry Mark, but that guy is running against all results of serous research. As NotAllThere stated, he is a quack. Next he will start selling tin foil hats or tachyon bracelets.
Hmm. Not so sure. Whenever huge amounts of money are involved things become muddy.
Implant option for most is not really an option due to cost. 8 % to be exact.
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It's one of those many posts on EF where it is absolutely impossible to judge the situation. The dentist may have taken extracted a tooth when a repair could have been done- but he may have been totally correct. How are we supposed to be able to make a sensible assessment with so little information, on an internet Forum???

OH went to the dentist the other day- and after a long discussion, it was decided, jointly, that 2 implants will be the best long-term option. He is 68, so perhaps a different scenario.

Truly, if you didn't feel extraction was what you wanted, why did you not get up and go away? What on earth is the point of complaining here now?

Enjoy your trip to SA- have you now forgotten why you had left?
Beautiful country indeed- my OH is from CT- but there are many reasons why it is not an easy place to live, work or be unemployed either. I do wonder what the dental car is there for the majority of SAs?

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Hmm. Not so sure. Whenever huge amounts of money are involved things become muddy.
Implant option for most is not really an option due to cost. 8 % to be exact.
Nobody here is promoting implants for most, actually it's quite the opposite, but that doesn't mean that every crap from someone who's against implantology as a mass sport is correct. I agree to a few points of that guy, but the big rest is dangerous nonsense. That's confirmed also by totally independent research.

Granted, sometimes money bends science, that's a sad fact, but no matter how much money is involved in research, time tells the truth. That guy is fighting against things that have been consistently backed up by independent research over many decades. I was involved in that kind of research myself, and I can tell science from b.s..
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In France, many dentists are making a fortune- telling patients they have to have all the old amalgams/fillings removed and replaced- telling them they are the cause of their fatigue and every kind of disease, and will cause their death. What do you think about this Captain? Several of my French friends have spent 1000s in having this done.
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In France, many dentists are making a fortune- telling patients they have to have all the old amalgams/fillings removed and replaced- telling them they are the cause of their fatigue and every kind of disease, and will cause their death. What do you think about this Captain? Several of my French friends have spent 1000s in having this done.
That happens in Switzerland too. Sad but true. The last amalgam panic campaign in all Europe was about 23 years ago, time for a new one, since, according to my long-term observation, amalgam panic has a periodicty that's twice the sunspot cycle.

In the early 'nineties, European media went ballistic over amalgam fillings. I have video recordings showing how TV journalists told the Britons that amalgam was forbidden in Switzerland. At the same time, Swedish journalists told the Swedes that amalgam was forbidden in the UK, and Swiss journalists told the Swiss that amalgam was forbidden in Sweden. Three plain lies, but the public believed it, and dentists made oodles.

A sober fact: In the entire 20th century, exactly 56 cases of verified amalgam incompatibilty (hypersensitivity, allergy-like reactions etc.) were documented, worldwide. 56 case in 100 years! The rest is anecdotal "evidence." There always are patients that feel better after amalgam removal, for several reasons that are clearly explainable, but those reasons have nothing to do with the material proper.

The famous effect first described by Prof. Dr. Emilio Placebo (1746 - 1828) in 1807 is only one of said reasons (ok, just kidding here, there never was a Prof. Placebo, but I'm dead serious about the rest of this post). There are real physiological effects too, all very well researched and documented. The effects of replacing fillings can be beneficial or detrimental, depending on the case, but that has nothing to do with the material removed or the new material used.

Funny enough, in the USA dental amalgam is still as popular as it was here 40 years ago. Over there, people just do not seem to know how ill they actually ought to feel. I'm waiting for the time when American media gang up with greedy dentists. There's still quite a market there.

In Europe, using amalgam fillings has almost entirely disappeared, NOT because it's bad but because dentists eventually got fed up wasting time telling patients why, in their specific case, an amalgam filling might still be a good thing. They rather apply a much more expensive material that doesn't need long discussions. If it fails, they can make even more money.

I even know a dentist who uses EAV (Electro-Acupuncture according to Dr. Voll) as a means to show the patients how dangerous the old fillings are, and then, after replacing them, they can show how much better they are now. That's done by varying the pressure of the electric probe on the patient's skin or by applying a tiny bit of moisture on the probe tip before placing it. With the same equipment, you can demonstrate severe illness and perfect health, on the same patient and with half a minute in between. That's quackery at its best.

There also are many dentists in Switzerland (just as anywhere else) who replace fillings after a certain time, which is determined by mere statistical figures. I totally loathe that kind of thinking, but it sure is profitable like heck.

Of course there are many good reasons for replacing a filling, even without the patient noticing a problem, but if a dentist ever tells you that lots of fillings have to replaced, just run for your life.
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What happens when a new dentist (first visit) discovers a new small cavity (when one has been almost cavity-free one's entire life) that does not show up on the X-ray either - is this even possible? Cavity apparently tiny and on the chewing surface of a pre-molar...
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What happens when a new dentist (first visit) discovers a new small cavity (when one has been almost cavity-free one's entire life) that does not show up on the X-ray either - is this even possible? Cavity apparently tiny and on the chewing surface of a pre-molar...
There's an old saying: If you confront five dentist with exactly the same dental problem, you'll hear five totally different opinions. If it's in the orthodontic field, you'll hear seven opinions, though.

No kidding. I own a book written by a (former) American professor of restaurative dentistry, who claims that he treats ever cavity, no matter how small it is, with a porcelain crown. Which means he'll often remove 500 times as much perfectly healthy natural material than the actual damage.

I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I learned fairly early in my professional life (but NOT at the university!) that initial lesions often can be left alone according to the old motto, "Wait and see." I have hundreds of patients with thousands of lesions that I should have fixed in the 'seventies and 'eithties. They still are as "urgent" as they were back then. Of course, a few of those "wait and see" lesions had to be treated meanwhile, but in most of those patients, way more NEW lesions popped up and needed therapy than those "wait and see" ones reaching the state of needing a filling.

Needless to say that dentists of my kind are a very rare species. Making a filling always pays much better than just observing it. And after seven years you can say, "Well Mr. / Ms Lakeside, it's seven years now. According to Prof. X at the Y university, this kind of filling lasts seven and a half years, so we better replace it now." As if there were a tiny time bond inside that filling....

And yes, for varous reasons a small lesion can be invisible on x-ray pictures. Most often that is the case on the occlusal (= chewing) surface.
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Well, if we're going to have dental implants one day, hopefully it will be as late in life as possible and not at the same dentists as Sharon Osbourne's.

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Well, if we're going to have dental implants one day, hopefully it will be as late in life as possible and not at the same dentists as Sharon Osbourne's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ping-Talk.html
It is obvious that it was not the implant that was falling out but only the crown on the implant. Including the implant, the whole thing would be about an inch long and very difficult to put back in.

No matter what, she bears the incident with admirable fortitude.
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It is obvious that it was not the implant that was falling out but only the crown on the implant. Including the implant, the whole thing would be about an inch long and very difficult to put back in.

No matter what, she bears the incident with admirable fortitude.
I didn't say anything about which part of the false tooth fell off, actually. If it happened to me I would have been very embarrassed, so you're right on this, she was fantastic. Brave lady.

Btw, do these incidents happen very often - i.e. crown falling out all of a sudden? She must have felt it was loose before the falling out or?
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I didn't say anything about which part of the false tooth fell off, actually. If it happened to me I would have been very embarrassed, so you're right on this, she was fantastic. Brave lady.

Btw, do these incidents happen very often - i.e. crown falling out all of a sudden? She must have felt it was loose before the falling out or?
Well, your previous post sounded as if the implant was to be blamed, or at least the person who had done the implantation, but it can happen with natural roots or implants of various makes.

And yes, it can happen very suddenly, without the slightest warning signs. It can happen on your way home from the dentist's practice, where you just passed your check-up.
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