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There is an English speaking dentist from Scotland working in Switzerland for many years. She's very gentle and is known for her painless techniques.
She works in a practice in Seon, about 25 minutes away from Zurich by car. She works here:

Dr. med. dent. Heiner Cueni
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Oberdorfstrasse 3, 5703 Seon
Tel: 062 775 22 72 and ask for Fr. Doctor Coletta

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Well, your previous post sounded as if the implant was to be blamed, or at least the person who had done the implantation, but it can happen with natural roots or implants of various makes.
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Yes, but I was kidding about the person who did the implant. It was in the spirit of this thread, of course things can go wrong irrespective of how brilliant the dentist was. (and obviously she had the best ones)

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There is an English speaking dentist from Scotland working in Switzerland for many years. She's very gentle and is known for her painless techniques.
She works in a practice in Seon, about 25 minutes away from Zurich by car. She works here:

Dr. med. dent. Heiner Cueni
Zahnarzt
Oberdorfstrasse 3, 5703 Seon
Tel: 062 775 22 72
Well, you should mention her contact name
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What shocked me was that the dentist walks into the room with gloves on his hands. He has another patient in one of the other rooms.
Has he changed his gloves?!!!

At home the dentist puts new gloves on his hands in front of me, this never happened in CH. One dentist, actually washed his gloves, this really tells me he is reusing them.

I feel it's hard to trust some of the dentist recommendations because some dentists are using this forum to advertise themselves.
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I feel it's hard to trust some of the dentist recommendations because some dentists are using this forum to advertise themselves.

Thats terrible, which dentist would do such a thing?
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What shocked me was that the dentist walks into the room with gloves on his hands. He has another patient in one of the other rooms.
Has he changed his gloves?!!!

At home the dentist puts new gloves on his hands in front of me, this never happened in CH. One dentist, actually washed his gloves, this really tells me he is reusing them.

I feel it's hard to trust some of the dentist recommendations because some dentists are using this forum to advertise themselves.
There are two aspects: The medical one is about protection. Surgeons wear gloves in the operating theatre to prevent germs from entering the opening in your body, whereas dentists wear them to prevent contracting possible diseases from you, especially hepatitis and AIDS.


Even the cleanest mouth carries 1 million times more germs that the dirtiest hand, so the risk is on the dentist's side. For instance, if you have hepatitis B, a puncture in the dentist's unprotected finger may transfer it. Actually, washing one's gloves could still be considered a sufficiently safe practice concerning the patients' safety.


On the other hand, of course, there is the psychological aspect. It sure looks awkward when a dentist does the things you described. After all, it is to be expected that you compare those actions to what you know from surgery in movies or your own experience. That dentist may still be a good dentist, but he doesn't seem to be very good at applied psychology.
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Well, you should mention her contact name
There is an English speaking dentist from Scotland working in Switzerland for many years. She's very gentle and is known for her painless techniques.
She works in a practice in Seon, about 25 minutes away from Zurich by car. She works here:

Dr. med. dent. Heiner Cueni
Zahnarzt
Oberdorfstrasse 3, 5703 Seon
Tel: 062 775 22 72

Ask for Fr. Doctor Coletta.

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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Today I had to go back to Dentist Dr Shultz at Swiss Smile
to have the medical strip removed from the extraction site.
So he tells me I have another tooth with some decay which
has to come out. This he says without even doing an xray.
I insisted on an xray and it looks like it just needs
a normal filling. I walked out and have booked with another
dentist recommended by a friend. They never ever see me there
again.500 chf was the bill.
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Sorry Mark, but that guy is running against all results of serous research. As NotAllThere stated, he is a quack. Next he will start selling tin foil hats or tachyon bracelets.


What is the meaning of Dr med dent ? Did the person do a doctorate in both normal medicine and in dentistry ? or is the med INCLUDED in the dent ?
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Old 20.12.2014, 10:26
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What is the meaning of Dr med dent ? Did the person do a doctorate in both normal medicine and in dentistry ? or is the med INCLUDED in the dent ?
Apparently it's a Swiss title convention. From Wikipedia:

(something like "Doctor of dental medicine").
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from French 'médecin dentiste'.
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What is the meaning of Dr med dent ? Did the person do a doctorate in both normal medicine and in dentistry ? or is the med INCLUDED in the dent ?
Not sure if serious?

Wolli, you're the Swiss native ... is this the first time you've noticed that dentists are "Dr med. dent." here? You even referred to your dentist (or maybe it was your Grandmum's, I don't recall) as "Dr med. dent." in a post early in this thread.

Medicine isn't the exclusive preserve of "medical practitioners". Veterinarians and dentists, among others, also practise medicine.
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Not sure if serious?

Wolli, you're the Swiss native ... is this the first time you've noticed that dentists are "Dr med. dent." here? You even referred to your dentist (or maybe it was your Grandmum's, I don't recall) as "Dr med. dent." in a post early in this thread.

Medicine isn't the exclusive preserve of "medical practitioners". Veterinarians and dentists, among others, also practise medicine.

I never cared. I suppose that the whole bunch always was med.dent , but suppose that they were content in declaring to be DrDent in the 60ies and 70ies.


Reminds me of the Veterinary we had in our unit, in the 70ies/80ies who declared that 80% of the education of human doctors and the veterinary doctors is really the same. Suppose it is similar with dentists
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from French 'médecin dentiste'.
Not quite. As in so many academic titles, it's Latin.

Depending on the sources you consult, it's either "doctor medicinae dentariae" (doctor of dental medicine) or "doctor medicinae dentium" (doctor of the medicine of the teeth).

Funny enough, the Swiss Dental Association is called "SSO" in all parts of the country, although that stands for French "Société Suisse d'Odonto-stomatologie." To make things even more confusing, that bunch began calling themselves "Société Suisse Dentaire" in French a few years ago but still keeps using the SSO logo.
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I never cared. I suppose that the whole bunch always was med.dent , but suppose that they were content in declaring to be DrDent in the 60ies and 70ies.
It has always been "Dr. med. dent." in Switzerland ever since that kind of title was introduced.

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Reminds me of the Veterinary we had in our unit, in the 70ies/80ies who declared that 80% of the education of human doctors and the veterinary doctors is really the same. Suppose it is similar with dentists
Not in dentistry. I'd say, about 40% is the same (basic anatomical, pathological, microbiological, chemical, and physiological principles and the like), but the rest is very different.
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Today I had to go back to Dentist Dr Shultz at Swiss Smile
to have the medical strip removed from the extraction site.
So he tells me I have another tooth with some decay which
has to come out. This he says without even doing an xray.
I insisted on an xray and it looks like it just needs
a normal filling. I walked out and have booked with another
dentist recommended by a friend. They never ever see me there
again.500 chf was the bill.
Swiss Smile is owned by a private equity firm called EQT Capital, rather than a dentist or group of dentists. Private equity firms often have a reputation for pumping short-term profits so that they can unload the business to someone else at a higher price in a short time.

Although dentists can be greedy too, it might be advisable to avoid dealing with a dental (or medical) practice that is owned by private equity firm.

http://www.eqt.se/Portfolio-Companie...ent-Portfolio/

As a side note, EQT Capital is controlled by the same investment firm, Investor AB, that controls ABB and Saab Defense.
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There is an English speaking dentist from Scotland working in Switzerland for many years. She's very gentle and is known for her painless techniques.
She works in a practice in Seon, about 25 minutes away from Zurich by car. She works here:

Dr. med. dent. Heiner Cueni
Zahnarzt
Oberdorfstrasse 3, 5703 Seon
Tel: 062 775 22 72

Ask for Fr. Doctor Coletta.
Since when did Scots begin to speak English?
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Swiss Smile is owned by a private equity firm called EQT Capital, rather than a dentist or group of dentists. Private equity firms often have a reputation for pumping short-term profits so that they can unload the business to someone else at a higher price in a short time.

Although dentists can be greedy too, it might be advisable to avoid dealing with a dental (or medical) practice that is owned by private equity firm.

http://www.eqt.se/Portfolio-Companie...ent-Portfolio/

As a side note, EQT Capital is controlled by the same investment firm, Investor AB, that controls ABB and Saab Defense.

MARK H, have you been in regular preventive treatment? What exactly lead up to the problems with your teeth? Did you suddenly have pain? Were the teeth considered "hopeless"? There are many questions to answer before one can determine if a tooth extraction is a better option, than restoration. Sometimes...indeed...it is a better option...unfortunately.

on a different note.....

It costs a fortune to acquire a dental degree, even more to open a modern dental practice, maintain the equipment, employ properly trained professionals, continuously attend seminars and further your education, pay for every possible insurance, provide extended hours and weekend service, have up to date websites and answer a constant stream of emails. All of this happens before any Swiss Franc is produced....

It is no wonder the young dentists of today are opting to work for corporations. They provide the basic set-up for a dental office and provide the administration and manage the human resources, so they can do what they are trained to do; dentistry. (not business)

Even if you love dentistry and have dedicated your life to helping patients sort out their dental problems, it is still a business. Perhaps that is the reason why we study Dental Ethics, as part of our education.

All things said, I maintain:
"There are many trusted dental professionals, who are sincerely trying to balance the ethics of good dentistry with the demands of dental business.


If you want good advice, find a trusted dentist with professional dental hygienist. Have your teeth cleaned on a regular basis (most adults twice a year), DON'T smoke (sorry) and be pro active in your prevention. Try to not wait until you have pain....

In my opinion, this the best way to save your teeth and save your money.

(After 35 years in dentistry in four languages and four countries, I believe to have the right to an opinion....)
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Since when did Scots begin to speak English?


Dr Coletta does not sound Scottish
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What is the meaning of Dr med dent ? Did the person do a doctorate in both normal medicine and in dentistry ? or is the med INCLUDED in the dent ?
One of my dentists is "Dr. Med. Dr. Med Dent. Name" or "Dr. Dr. Name" for short!

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One of my dentists is "Dr. Med. Dr. Med Dent. Name" or "Dr. Dr. Name" for short!

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