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Re: Swiss Dentists - a ripoff

There might be some truth in this, as iirc this isn't the first thread about dentists pulling teeth for no reason.
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I'm quite lucky with mine, apart from the good prices, he knows we're just back on holiday so I book well in advance and he'll see me/wife/kids back to back with next appointment blocked out in case any of us need treatment.

Price wise, in GBP .. Last time we were about 150 for checkups x 4, filling x 1, xray x 1, hygenist x 2
I pay £90-125 just to see the hygienist, however I don't have any fillings either so probably worth paying for a top clean.
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I pay £90-125 just to see the hygienist, however I don't have any fillings either so probably worth paying for a top clean.
With some of your comments a bottom clean maybe good idea too !!!
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Interesting to see this thread. I just came on to give a recommendation for my new dentist in Germany.

http://www.doc-oliday.de/de/kontakt/index.php

I made an appointment with them because I thought I needed a new crown to replace one that recently chipped. The dentist took one look and told me that she just needed to file down the sharp edges of the chip. So instead of paying 750 euro for a new crown, she just charged me 50. That's integrity!

They are easy to get to with public transportation as they are located right next to the train station in Jestetten, Germany. I highly recommend this practice!
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

First the sound of the dentist drill,followed by an eye watering,mind
numbing bill.
Something is seriously wrong with the Swiss dental
system. Dental needs to be regulated and added to
basic health insurance.
Considering a filing in South Africa costs 25 chf. Here
400 + chf.
This madness needs to stop.
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The practice in question here is Swiss Smile.
I am very depressed and traumatised by this experience.
Why is it always about money?You should be able to trust
health care workers.
It's very wrong.

No problems with my bite and the structure of the tooth was still good.
I'm convinced after doing some research on the internet that the tooth could have been saved.
Like it or not, healthcare is just another business. Idealists that come fresh into medical jobs turn often into bitter overworked people by the bureaucracy (ie spending most of your work time + unpaid overtime just filling data into user-unfriendly hospital's information systems), pressure to do actions on patients that aren't best for them, but best for hospital/clinic cash flow. Examples might be unnecessary surgeries - say few hours spent on one is billed to insurance company for 20k CHF, main surgeon gets 5K CHF cut - these are roughly real figures from Geneva area). Guess who decides go/no-go for surgery? Same guy getting the cut...

It's not all doom and gloom, but gone are the days when one could expect 100% fair and proper treatment anywhere, just because you know, we're in Suisse, doctors are there to help patient and all that. But maybe it's just my path of disillusion and it's been always like that
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You went to Swiss Smile?
Definitely there are some dentists who only want
to pull teeth. Avoid them.
Have a look at what the dentist specialises in.
If its implants run like hell.
Exactly! Had to go there, when my dentist was away and, even though they couldn't "see" anything wrong (made a x-ray), they were ready to pull the tooth out!!!!
I said, thanks but no thanks!
It turned out to be a gum problem ...
Where are these dentists coming from? It is just unbelievable!!!
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Save a tooth? They don't want to repair your teeth any more, they just want to pull them and do as many implants as possible. That's where the big money is. And with the innumerable hidden costs you would need a bank loan! Sad....
It's very sad actually because there definitely is a resistance
to paying these prices.With the strength of the Swiss Frank now it
makes dental in Germany,France etc. even more attractive.
Dentists in Swiss will receive even less business.
Then the poor souls who are still faithfull to the Swiss dental
get screwed even more as Swiss dentists try to make up
for the lost business.Its a vicious cycle.
They will NEVER EVER see me again.
Rip off merchants.
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Yeah, I think we got the message by now

Our dentist in nearby France is very good, but not that cheap either. Our dentist in the UK is brilliant, and a very good long term friend- so gives us 'mates' rates' but he is defo NOT cheap either. Good dentists in the UK are making good money, and they will also push for the implant option whenever suitable (possible?). He and his wife make a VERY good living.

You really can't compare SA prices though- does not make sense. How much would you get on RAV in SA? Or average salary- come on.
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Yeah, I think we got the message by now

Our dentist in nearby France is very good, but not that cheap either. Our dentist in the UK is brilliant, and a very good long term friend- so gives us 'mates' rates' but he is defo NOT cheap either. Good dentists in the UK are making good money, and they will also push for the implant option whenever suitable (possible?). He and his wife make a VERY good living.

You really can't compare SA prices though- does not make sense. How much would you get on RAV in SA? Or average salary- come on.
http://www.dentalsafaris.com/procedure-pricing

I would say that generally expect to pay 3x more
in Switzerland than in SA.
My salary there would be half of what I earn here.
Dental is absolutely part of medical aid and very good quality.
My dentist in SA only doing porcelain fillings.Now I
have cheap composite fillings for exhorbitant prices.
I would not mind paying up to 200 chf for a filling here.

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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

I never had issues with my teeth but in 6 months in Switzerland I had to visit the dentist twice with slightly chipped teeth (must be the water ...anyhow it is whatever it is but what shocked me most was the bill. I had a slightly cracked tooth and went to swissmile (must say they gave me an appointment on the day), the doc was a very pleasant lady to fix the tooth took about 45 min and the bill was from what i recall 450chf. My cousin is a really good dentist in Italy and he told me that a similar job would cost 80-100 euros...conclusion...cross the border for a nicer and cheaper smile
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

You are not understanding
The teeth of foreigners are being extracted to stop the spread of rabies.
This is called preventive medicine.
Seriously, my Swiss dentist is great -he doesn't mind me forgetting to get a yearly check up and always discusses the treatment- he is conservative, so I have had more fillings than extractions
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Late to the party, but just wanted to add that I didn't have a brilliant experience lately with Cliniodent in Luzern.

They made a pretty bad crown actually (it was shorter than the neighboring tooth and was even right at the front!), and then proceeded to shave down the healthy normal adjacent tooth to match the length of the short crown... along with refusing any kind of responsibility for the bad job they had done of the crown in the first place... ugh.

Some of the staff are pretty rude on top of it. I don't like to complain, but that place is a joke. I won't be going there again.

To sum up, go there at your own peril!

(To be fair though I think the dentists in there are german, not swiss, so this doesn't reflect on 'swiss dentistry')

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You are not understanding
The teeth of foreigners are being extracted to stop the spread of rabies.
This is called preventive medicine.
Seriously, my Swiss dentist is great -he doesn't mind me forgetting to get a yearly check up and always discusses the treatment- he is conservative, so I have had more fillings than extractions
Not that conservative if he filled the teeth, I don't have any fillings, a couple of things could have been filled 40 years ago, however my dentist wanted to wait 18 months to see if it changed. A few times new dentists have told me it needs filling, I tell them my dentist spotted the problem in 1975 .
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Captain Greybeard,

In one of your posts earlier in this thread you talked about huge differences in price to the patient - a factor of 6-8 times. We hadn't seen anything so drastically different (I guess the colleagues in the Zug area mostly use SSO price guide) until yesterday.

A patient walked in with an infected root of tooth #6, upper jaw. The tooth already had a root canal and was beyond saving. It had to be pulled; it looked to be a tough extraction case – deep root, curved, had a root canal for a while, decayed, so almost guaranteed to break into pieces. We priced it for a tougher (longer) case and gave an estimate for CHF 290 (based on SSO guidebook). The patient wanted it done immediately. Turns out he came in for a 2nd opinion. The other dentist had also told him the root needed to be pulled and gave him an estimate of CHF 2000. No itemization, so no idea how he came up with that price! Wow.

The extraction was a bugger though. The tooth shuttered into several pieces at the first wiggle; getting the bottom 3 mm out was no fun.
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My husbands family has a longtime family friend who is a dentist in CH and guess what..... He has not worries in the money department, at all.
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Old 26.09.2015, 08:59
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My husbands family has a longtime family friend who is a dentist in CH and guess what..... He has not worries in the money department, at all.

I think this automatic success is gone for all dentists around the world. The costs of business, the equipment and human resources are driving professionals to join forces and create group practices. Although the only compensation comes through direct "sales", most dentist are ethical health care providers. Sometimes patients do not understand our side of the equation. The costs are there whether the patient shows up or does not, has treatment or does not, or just wants to talk. Just the same, I TOTALLY understand the need to find a professional whom you trust.

However, my experience has been quite positive. I've work for 35! years in five countries as an American Dental Hygienist and have really good things to say about my dentist colleagues. Even now, I work at two prestigious practices, Bahnhofplatz Zürich and Bahnhofplatz Lachen and feel confident in both locations. Both practices have invested great amounts into their infrastructure and have huge costs, yet I never experienced any patient pressure or bullying into treatment. I never have the feeling the bottom line is the dentists' priority.

As I have said many times, your best investment is in Profession Dental Hygiene. We do not get any cut for the treatment and are totally free to give you advice. Be very careful to ask if the person cleaning your teeth is a DH ( Dental Hygienist) or PA ( Prophylaxis Assistant). Also not all countries have professional programs to educate hygienists. http://www.ifdh.org/work_abroad.html

Another point about the value of preventive care and healrhy lifestyle. My patients (http://www.cosmodent.ch/en/practices...lessinger.html) seldom need a dentist. However, most are Ex-pats, non-smokers, always had regular preventive care, had Ortho as kids and would never go to sleep without cleaning their teeth, etc. The dentists focus on small details of reparation, cosmetics and service to the Angst patients. I treat only the patients whom I brought with me and they are a special group of dentally healthy people.

On the other hand, my patients in Lachen often need major treatment and practically always need to see the dentist. They are lovely locals whom I find great pleasure to meet, however have not been in regular care, are often smokers, have gone to country-side dentists and are only learning about dental hygiene. They are the product of a different style of dentstry and lifestyle. The young doctors are trying to change this.
http://www.dental-clinic.ch/ueber-uns

So, this thread about SWISS DENTIST HELL is quite concerning, often inflammatory and feeds into the angst of patients. I would suggest to focus on the importance of keeping your dentition healthy.

Save your teeth AND save your money!
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

Most dentists in the UK have gone private- and prices are not that much cheaper than here (lots of our friends are dentists and they certainly are not short of a bob or two )- and our dentist here, over the border in France, is great, but not cheap- and we always discuss their VERY exotic holidays and their massive new villa with all mod cons- definitely not short of Es either!

Last crown cost just about E1000.
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Most dentists in the UK have gone private- and prices are not that much cheaper than here (lots of our friends are dentists and they certainly are not short of a bob or two )- and our dentist here, over the border in France, is great, but not cheap- and we always discuss their VERY exotic holidays and their massive new villa with all mod cons- definitely not short of Es either!

Last crown cost just about E1000.

Curious, who takes care of your dental prophylaxis ( cleaning). Are they trained professionals? How much time does it take?

I cleaned my daughter's teeth yesterday, who has perfect hygiene and never had one filling. Still, it took me almost one hour...
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My husbands family has a longtime family friend who is a dentist in CH and guess what..... He has not worries in the money department, at all.
TBH I think you will find over 85% of people in full time employment in CH ever have any real money worries. Standard of living is one of the highest in the world.........

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Curious, who takes care of your dental prophylaxis ( cleaning). Are they trained professionals? How much time does it take?

I cleaned my daughter's teeth yesterday, who has perfect hygiene and never had one filling. Still, it took me almost one hour...
Haha, the concept of dental hygienists does not exist in France, I see many quite wealthy people who have a huge amount of visible tartar!
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