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Swiss Dentist hell

Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.
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Depends on the surgery. Two of my friends are dentists, one had his own surgery and so could do what he wanted, another is younger and keeps quitting because her bosses pressure her into doing more expensive rather than better treatments. My advice is to get advice.
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I've been to the dentist in Switzerland once (Zürich Airport). They told me I needed 4 fillings despite never having had any before!

I didn't have them filled and went to see my UK dentist. 2 of the "cavities" were just flaws in the enamel that had always been there. The other 2 were small yet quite inaccessible, UK dentist kept an eye on them with x-rays. One needed filling 6 years later, the other one is still ok!

…. They just wanted my money and were prepared to fill teeth that were fine in order to get it
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I would recommend www.zahn-kuenste.com in Waldshut. They seem to be very friendly, professional and fair priced. On the top of that they all speak English. I let them do my root canal. So far so good, had canals cleaned, filled with gutta percha. Unfortunately the part of molar broke off during putting the filling in and I expect the fourth appointment in January for crown. They only issue the bill once the job has been done.

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Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.
Of course it always is very difficult to assess a case without knowing all the details. I don't quite understand what happened to you. Sorry.

There are very good reasons for extractions also nowadays. For instance, there may be an infection around the root that is very difficult to treat. That infection can be totally painless, but it can ruin the long-term outcome of the nicest filling. And that's only one example of a reason for extracting a tooth.

On the other hand, actually, Switzerland has a very low rate of tooth extractions per capita, compared to other countries. I do about four or five extractions per year. I know German, Austrian and American dentists who do six and more extractions per day (of course based on a comparable patient frequency). That's still 30 times as many as we did 40 years ago.

However, extractions seem to be on the rise again, especially among very young dentists, arguing you better have that tooth removed and replaced with an implant. Makes CHF 4500 instead of 180. Duh.

I started doing dental implants almost 40 years ago, when many dentists didn't even know that such a thing exists. As a seasoned implantologist, I still stick to the old motto, "The best oral implant, wherever possible, is the natural tooth." Technology is a nice thing to have, but nature often is better.

Your experience has nothing to do with Swiss dentistry in general, only with certain individuals. As I said, I feel sorry for you.
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Of course it always is very difficult to assess a case without knowing all the details. I don't quite understand what happened to you. Sorry.

There are very good reasons for extractions also nowadays. For instance, there may be an infection around the root that is very difficult to treat. That infection can be totally painless, but it can ruin the long-term outcome of the nicest filling. And that's only one example of a reason for extracting a tooth.

On the other hand, actually, Switzerland has a very low rate of tooth extractions per capita, compared to other countries. I do about four or five extractions per year. I know German, Austrian and American dentists who do six and more extractions per day (of course based on a comparable patient frequency). That's still 30 times as many as we did 40 years ago.

However, extractions seem to be on the rise again, especially among very young dentists, arguing you better have that tooth removed and replaced with an implant. Makes CHF 4500 instead of 180. Duh.

I started doing dental implants almost 40 years ago, when many dentists didn't even know that such a thing exists. As a seasoned implantologist, I still stick to the old motto, "The best oral implant, wherever possible, is the natural tooth." Technology is a nice thing to have, but nature often is better.

Your experience has nothing to do with Swiss dentistry in general, only with certain individuals. As I said, I feel sorry for you.
Having been exploring info about alternative treatments to root canal I came across this sort of articles: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...led-teeth.aspx

They seem to be dissuading from the root canal treatment as it's deemed to be unhealthy causing further complications resulting from bacteria forming in dead tooth and entering the blood stream. Extraction seems to be a viable option. Implants as a matter of fact with having foreign objects entering your jaw bone not so cool. Welcome to cyborg's world. Business and moral grounds aside, I wonder what dentistry world truly thinks about it?
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Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.
OP, one of the possible issues might be this: not all dentists can perform difficult root canal treatments....and for some problems you really need a specialist in endodontics, and they are quite rare in CH (or elsewhere).
What irritates me is when they don't refer patients to their colleagues, so I'd say it's better if you, yourself, book an appointment to a supra-specialist if you know your problem.

http://www.sso.ch/

check this list, look for "Endodontologie".

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Having been exploring info about alternative treatments to root canal I came across this sort of articles: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...led-teeth.aspx

They seem to be dissuading from the root canal treatment as it's deemed to be unhealthy causing further complications resulting from bacteria forming in dead tooth and entering the blood stream. Extraction seems to be a viable options. Implants as a matter of fact with having foreign objects entering your jaw bone not so cool. Welcome to cyborg's world. Business and moral grounds aside, I wonder what dentistry world truly thinks about it?
I just read a few headlines on that Website, then left it. It can't be taken seriously. The purpose of a root canal therapy is to remove the bacteria, which is not possible in all cases (hence the reservations in my first post), but there is no medical treatment that is 100% reliable.

As for implants, with modern materials, the organism doesn't even realize there is a foreign body. If there is a problem, it is caused by bacteria (read: oral hygiene), not by the implant proper.
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OP, one of the possible issues might be this: not all dentists can perform difficult root canal treatments....and for some problems you really need a specialist in endodontology, and they are quite rare in CH (or elsewhere).
Every dentist that has graduated from a Swiss universtity in the last 90 years is able to perform root canal therapies, except orthodontists, who had to learn the technique too but do not have the equipment. In the USA, however, things are different. There I know many colleagues who refer root canal patients to oral surgeons.
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

I am so sorry you had this! Had a similar experience and it was HELL!
I won't bore anyone with the gory details but after loosing a tooth (that was worse than a c-section) and 2 lots of antibiotics and pain- killers, I went again to the practice and I had the boss this time, I asked him to check a tooth on the other side and he responded " it looks ok, just take some pain killers".

Please note, this dentist I had was well known and his practice!

I finally listened to my friend and went to see a specialist in root canals and only works with microscopes - turned out the previous dentist had created a war zone!

I suggest you do your research, what is good for one person, may not be good for another. Dr Sirtes is skilled at root canals and was horrified when he heard I had a tooth taken out. He based in zurich, lindenhofstrasse 17, 8001 -

Can't say it wasn't painful. When you have someone digging around your mouth for over an hour it's bound to have some after effects, but that wore off soon enough!

I tend to listen to music and keep my eyes closed throughout!

If you have dental insurance then you have a great choice - as my teeth are worth a fortune!
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Re: Swiss Dentist hell

A dentist in zurich (recommended here in the forum aswell) suggested do remove 2 teeth because of lost Fillings(the dentist will no replace them), with the root canals removed aswell , the removed teeths (or the holes) will not be
replaced with something. The Price , they offered me was around 1000 sfr. (after paying 150 sfr for picking me up as a new patient).
His statement was, that my chewing was incorrect, but no medical attention at all.
I don't pay 1000 sfr for removing something, what does not make any pain.
I will not see this doctor again, I feel badly treated.
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Every dentist that has graduated from a Swiss universtity in the last 90 years is able to perform root canal therapies, except orthodontists, who had to learn the technique too but do not have the equipment. In the USA, however, things are different. There I know many colleagues who refer root canal patients to oral surgeons.
Every dentist anywhere, theoretically, but this is not what I said actually, I was referring only to difficult cases. My OH had the same problem as OP and I insisted he should see someone that was doing only this (root canal treatments), eventually it turned out the tooth could be saved so it would have been a mistake to accept what the first dentist recommended. So we learned from experience that although it is written in their presentation they can do this or that, in fact not everyone is that good at everything, and sometimes you, as a patient, need a second opinion from someone who really specialised in certain things. We looked for this - Zahnarzt Endodontologie (Wurzelbehandlungen) and we were not wrong. Again, I was not saying other dentists don't know to do root canal treatments, obviously they do.


I can see why USA dentists refer their patients to someone else if they feel they can't do it themselves, better this way.

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The practice in question here is Swiss Smile.
I am very depressed and traumatised by this experience.
Why is it always about money?You should be able to trust
health care workers.
It's very wrong.

No problems with my bite and the structure of the tooth was still good.
I'm convinced after doing some research on the internet that the tooth could have been saved.

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Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.

Quite to the contrary, dentists in Switzerland oppose to extract teeth and WANT to do a filling. But all depends on the state of your biting structure.


It in Germany and also in the Canton of Schaffhausen deep into the 1950ies, was rather common to extract teeth or rather ALL of them and replace them with an artificial set.This is why you in Germany can find so many articles for artificial teeth


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Of course it always is very difficult to assess a case without knowing all the details. I don't quite understand what happened to you. Sorry.

There are very good reasons for extractions also nowadays. For instance, there may be an infection around the root that is very difficult to treat. That infection can be totally painless, but it can ruin the long-term outcome of the nicest filling. And that's only one example of a reason for extracting a tooth.

On the other hand, actually, Switzerland has a very low rate of tooth extractions per capita, compared to other countries. I do about four or five extractions per year. I know German, Austrian and American dentists who do six and more extractions per day (of course based on a comparable patient frequency). That's still 30 times as many as we did 40 years ago.

However, extractions seem to be on the rise again, especially among very young dentists, arguing you better have that tooth removed and replaced with an implant. Makes CHF 4500 instead of 180. Duh.

I started doing dental implants almost 40 years ago, when many dentists didn't even know that such a thing exists. As a seasoned implantologist, I still stick to the old motto, "The best oral implant, wherever possible, is the natural tooth." Technology is a nice thing to have, but nature often is better.

Your experience has nothing to do with Swiss dentistry in general, only with certain individuals. As I said, I feel sorry for you.


Interesting! So that German dentists are still on the teeth-extraction train.


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Having been exploring info about alternative treatments to root canal I came across this sort of articles: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...led-teeth.aspx...
At that point I stopped reading. Mercola is, in my opinion, a medically qualified quack whose sole purpose in life is making as much money as possible from spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Item 1) he's anti-vaccine.

The only teeth Swiss dentists have removed from my family have been from my daughter due to overcrowded teeth, or wisdom teeth removal. In all cases, it's been the last resort. We've even had very small cavities left unfilled.
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Why don't you just go see Captain Greybeard, at least for a second opinion? He seems to REALLY know what he's talking about.
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Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.

My first thought was that they had probably done their training in England. But then it came into my mind that I clearly don't live in the same country as many of the people on Swiss EF as I have never had anything but positive results from the dentists I've been to over many years here.(this is the same for all the other complaints about many other things).


I still have most of my teeth and it was a Swiss dentist who told me how to clean them properly - also many years ago - and suggested an annual check-up which has saved me a tremendous amount of money over time and has averted any crisis. My same-age friends in England all suffer from fright at the though of going to the dentist although, of course, the ratio of pulled teeth there has dropped over the years. My parents, as most of their generation were walking around at about 40 with false teeth top and bottom. Those same generation people I met here when I came, weren't.
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My first thought was that they had probably done their training in England. But then it came into my mind that I clearly don't live in the same country as many of the people on Swiss EF as I have never had anything but positive results from the dentists I've been to over many years here.(this is the same for all the other complaints about many other things).


I still have most of my teeth and it was a Swiss dentist who told me how to clean them properly - also many years ago - and suggested an annual check-up which has saved me a tremendous amount of money over time and has averted any crisis. My same-age friends in England all suffer from fright at the though of going to the dentist although, of course, the ratio of pulled teeth there has dropped over the years. My parents, as most of their generation were walking around at about 40 with false teeth top and bottom. Those same generation people I met here when I came, weren't.
Well, except when one of them says he wouldn't recommend root canal treatment and he better pulls out the tooth, and if you are not even 40 believe me you're willing to look for a second opinion no matter the success rate of Swiss dentistry. Plus, apart from my OH I personally know enough people here were who were not that happy with their dentists, which doesn't say anything really, just that they were not happy, rightly or not.
Frankly I don't give a dam' if Swiss dentistry is good or excellent, I care more about my teeth! If something raises question marks I will ask for a second opinion.
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Swiss Dentist hell

Sometimes it's a consequence of just being a bad dentist - nothing to do with being Swiss or what. I've had great dentists and crap ones in the US. Second opinion can be required anywhere.

And Mercola - fear mongering money grubbing quack, imho.
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Do all Swiss dentists appear to just want to extract teath for any reason?
Been twice to dentists in Switzerland and both wanted to extract my problem teeth
without attempting a filling.
I managed to persuade the first one to do a filling but the second
extracted the tooth after telling me he doesn't
recommend root canal and I should rather do tooth implants.
A friend at work also left the dentist minus a tooth on his
only visit.
A common comment is it costs the same to pull the tooth as
it costs to fill it.Sure the extraction is cheaper for them as they
don't use any materials.
I will avoid them like the plague from now on.

When they pull a tooth out, they are getting repeat business with you needing a bridge for the rest of your life.

At 26 years old, I saw a dentist at one of those emergency places who wanted to pull out an infected tooth. He said it was the cheapest way and that the pulling and a bridge would be less than a root canal. I knew that you shouldn't pull an infected tooth out, having waited until infection had gone away with my wisdom teeth. I also knew I was too young to have a gap in my teeth.

The dentist called me a "baby" for me not wanting my tooth pulled and I left with antibiotics. I saw another dentist who did the root canal for around 600 Fr and the tooth hasn't given me trouble since.
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OP, one of the possible issues might be this: not all dentists can perform difficult root canal treatments....and for some problems you really need a specialist in endodontics, and they are quite rare in CH (or elsewhere).
What irritates me is when they don't refer patients to their colleagues, so I'd say it's better if you, yourself, book an appointment to a supra-specialist if you know your problem.

http://www.sso.ch/

check this list, look for "Endodontologie".

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