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Old 07.10.2018, 13:21
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Thank you for this post. I have lived here 5 years with my husband. He was born in Ticino but then left with his family at the age of 4 to live in San Francisco. He kept telling me a lot of what you just stated but I chose not to believe him because I like to see the good in people. Slowly I have come to these same conclusions. The good thing is that this understanding will allow me to break through the walls that people construct. (After all, we all have them.) And on the positive end the Swiss have many good qualities that other cultures may not have. It's particularly nice that this perspective come from you.
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I assume you stopped reading where the pros/good things were and only read through the cons.
so always start with things you wish they'd be read
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Old 07.10.2018, 15:49
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It's the same as with everything here, it varies from canton to canton village to village
FTFY!

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From apartment to aparment.

About time you get a grip on this ftf_whomever.
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Re: Swiss people, what to know (by a Swiss)

I couldn't agree more with your positive and negatives. I was born Swiss but lived most of my life in England. I have recently come back to Switzerland and I have realised most of the positives and negatives on here are vice versa in England, which has made life for me here so much more difficult. I much prefer the British way of life and the people, but its all a matter of preference I guess. For example, my stepdad is as swiss as he can be, and I could never imagine him being able to live in England.
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Re: Swiss people, what to know (by a Swiss)

This is a nice summary

I found that the older Swiss are indeed extremely anal as you described it, but really not so direct as you say. Quite the opposite: can be quite rude, but extremely passive-aggressive.

Had a lady in front of a shop give a lecture to my 3-year-old 2 seconds after he dropped smarties on a floor and then stepped on one which went for a while like: "Oh, very nice, you eat smarties, they are nice, colourful, they are very interesting when you step on them, right, your father is watching you eating smarties, they are colourfull" etc, it went in circles for a while, hoping that I will do something. I guess.
I thought she was a bit odd, definitely never dealt with toddlers, but it seems it's the preferred way of handling the things here.

Of course, I did the most logical thing, said "sorry, but I think he didn't understand any of that", to which she angrily got away, and then we picked up the candy.

The younger generation of Swiss (under 35) are much more relaxed people. Very rarely you meet a young repressed Swiss in a big city.
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Old 08.10.2018, 11:44
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I found that the older Swiss are indeed extremely anal
You met them all? May I ask how long you have been living in Switzerland?
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This is a nice summary

I found that the older Swiss are indeed extremely anal as you described it, but really not so direct as you say. Quite the opposite can be quite rude, but extremely passive-aggressive.
Don't know where you're from but don't you think that an element of the elderly can be like that anywhere? I've met proper old mitherers all around the world who can't for the life of them keep their gob shut when it's nothing to do with them.

The Swiss certainly don't have the monopoly on grumpy old farts.

I'm planning to be one myself when I reach a suitable age. Until then I'll continue to be an absolute delight.
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You met them all? May I ask how long you have been living in Switzerland?
Yes, of course, if you ask like that "is EVERYONE" that it won't work, you always have exceptions, and of course, I know many older people which are quite the opposite of what I said...

I'm making an average point, there is a slight difference in average, and this skews drastically the extremes. This is not just age. The younger ones are much more "spoiled" by foreigner contact, and therefore much less "swiss".

I live here for some 7 years. Lived before abroad in Ireland. Been a bit around the place to notice the difference.
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Old 08.10.2018, 12:07
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Re: Swiss people, what to know (by a Swiss)

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Don't know where you're from but don't you think that an element of the elderly can be like that anywhere? I've met proper old mitherers all around the world who can't for the life of them keep their gob shut when it's nothing to do with them.

The Swiss certainly don't have the monopoly on grumpy old farts.

I'm planning to be one myself when I reach a suitable age. Until then I'll continue to be an absolute delight.
You're not yet 35 years old then.
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I found that the older Swiss are indeed extremely anal as you described it, but really not so direct as you say. Quite the opposite: can be quite rude, but extremely passive-aggressive.

The younger generation of Swiss (under 35) are much more relaxed people. Very rarely you meet a young repressed Swiss in a big city.
Uhm I dare say neither has to do with nationality, but just with youth vs age.
And of course neither applies universally, and certainly not universally to any culture.

I'm always amazed how quick people are to generalize. They've met ONE person of ONE culture in ONE situation of ONE particular age and think they're now automatically all the same? Come on, surely no one can be that short-sighted. So I met this one 35-year-old Australian who in all seriousness asked me whether "we had TVs in Switzerland" (that was in the year 2015), so now I assume ALL Australians under the age of 36 are just morons?

Yes there are certain general behaviors in the Swiss or any culture, and it's fine to be somewhat biased, we all are, particularly towards what we don't know. But I would expect the average adult with average intelligence to be well capable of distinguishing the few from the many and be willing to reassess their own bias where required. Just like not all Americans are loud-mouthed, aggressive and arrogant, not all Swiss are narrow-minded, boring and inflexible.
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I assume ALL Australians under the age of 36 are just morons?
Aren't they?

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I found that the older Swiss are indeed extremely anal
Really?

I thought that was more an Arab (or French) thing.

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I disagreen with most of it...
This is my Version of Swiss people (start with a green face laugher emoji)

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Swiss mentality varies significantly in the German, French and Italian speaking areas.

For the Italian sector, read up on Northern Italian culture and traditions.
The French, read up on French culture and then mix it in with what I am writing below. The German part of Switzerland, read below.

The Bad:

- Stubborn. We CH are always right, even if we are wrong.
- Like to start conflicts (without use of force or foul language) over small ridiculous reasons, aka better knowers.
--- I think they are so hard to make a fight with them, they are too gentle and always avoid any conflicts. They are always neutral...they will not stick on your with trivial issues and always argue as these french dose.

- Jede da isch en Polizischt oder pensionierte Polizischt "everyone here is either a police officer or a retired police officer".
---Sort of true but I don't feel frightedn by the Swiss police...not frighten AF as these french or American police..

- not united / uncooperative unless you pay for a service
- extremely hard to make friendships
I have some solid and long term Swiss friends...The french seems great and friend be with you when they are there in front of you. BUt when you leave, they forgot you in light speed. The swiss is hard to make friends at first but once you build up the thing, they will remind as sort of friend forever...depends who you met tho i have to say.

- distrust new faces immediately instead of rather being welcoming
- judge people too fast by appearance and initial comments
-----not sure about this...
- do never forget a bad experience (bad as in it isn't even so bad), grab to it until the end of days to get back to someone.
- too much negative stereotyping of foreign nations (not racism, racism is common, but not more or less like in any other countries, the stereotyping is bad however).
-----Yes, some of them are sooooo negative and stubbon on the impression of some foreigner nations...this is so common.

- Better knowers
- Problems with small talk, extremely direct and appear distrusting to people that apply social small talk with them, but then they do small talk themselves...
----Don't think so....depends who you met...
- Complain and complain instead of taking action when it would really matter. But for small ridiculous things, we do start conflicts immediately as mentioned already.
-----Are you sure you met a Swiss or a French...only french like that...
- negative feedback and friendly complaints here unacceptable unless you are at a very expensive restaurant or hotel, and even there you often hear: Oh, sie sind aber de erscht wo reklamiert!! "you are the first that ever complained"
- unfriendly government employee. Police can be extremely rude.
--- Completely disagree..the police in Switzerland is the nicest one! Try France and the US...They shit the hell out of you!

- boring in general, but the few here that are the opposite of boring, make up for it (we got some serious extreme sportsmen and women that do crazy stuff !! perhaps list this also as good!) no, but really, people here are boring.

--- I agree on this...they are sort of....boring...but not all..

- careful whom to offer an apology here, people s...t on your apology half the time and make you feel even worse.
- clothing washing machine warriors in apartments. MAKE SURE YOU RENT AN APARTMENT THAT HAS ONE IN YOUR APARTMENT AND NOT ONE THAT YOU SHARE, YES, I NEED TO WRITE THAT IN CAPS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD !!!!!!
- Jealous. If you drive a Ferrari, you are either a crook, thief, criminal or other scum.
---That car seems obly drive by Mafia isn't it? hahahah...joking...

- Unfriendly > Friendly . If someone looks unfriendly here, he or she is !! If someone looks friendly, that person can become quickly very unfriendly!!!
--- So disagree on this!! They are the most nicest people!!! Go try the Parisiens!
- Stressed. Stress is not good, but people here always seem to be stressed... everything works here, public transport, organization, etc, but people always stressed. We have a high heart attack and suicide rate, extremely high by the way!
--- Are you joking? Their country is the most relaxing country..too relaxing till it is a bit boring...Go to try the stress Parisien people!! Jesus christ! you didn't see the world yet!!

- Not really social when it is time to be social. So you go to that fare, you see a huge long wooden table with a long wooden seating bench. It appears you are in a medieval festival, the music is going, the sausages are grilling, but, the people that sit there and eat all look sadly in front of them, instead of interacting interestingly and friendly with the people to the left, right and in front !!!
--- Yes, they are a bit like this...but Im ok, that don't disturbe me that much.When start some topic and conversations, they could give you some decent, informative and valuable information instead of like some random small talk...I appreciate that..

- Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't make the slightest noise when a lot of people are around and it is extremely silent. Turn your phone to silent!!! Watch the scowls if you make noise.


The Good:

- Civilized in general
- Educated
- Trustworthy when it matters
- Well organized and on time
- Very animal friendly
- Clean. With one/herself and with nature
- Curious. (careful here. Swiss tend to want to know all about you but when it is their turn, good luck finding out more than name, age, work and where they were born.)
- Cooperative in times of danger. People here don't look the other way and pretend that someone else will for sure help and all is ok when someone is in need of help.
- Child friendly
- Nature friendly
- Orderly (don't commit crimes, fights, foul language, but Generation Y is picking up on that so let's see how it is in 20 years)
- Chivalry towards handicapped and older people. Get your rear out of that chair and offer it to an elderly person. Help an elderly person cross the street.
- Love to receive positive feedback (who doesn't, well, with love, I mean love. You want to make friends here, probably the easiest way is admiring someone and telling the person that in the face).
- Silent when it is time to be quiet.

So, that kind of sums it up, for sure I forgot a billion of things, but this kind of serves as a general idea. Sorry if I hurt any fellow Swiss, and don't try argue with me here, because I won't argue back, I know better than to argue back to a fellow Swiss
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What do you mean when you call a person 'anal' ? I never heard this word before in this context, so I would like to know.
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What do you mean when you call a person 'anal' ? I never heard this word before in this context, so I would like to know.
It is commonly used as a short form for anal retentive: Wikipedia is your friend.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentiveness


I've also heard: Anal (retentive) people 'can't let shit go'.
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you are absolutely right about the US, as well, although police there simply say "werdemer tot." it is not stated as a question, however, but rather as a fact.

What language is this? Swiss German?
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I disagreen with most of it...
This is my Version of Swiss people (start with a green face laugher emoji)

I liked the "animal friendly" thing you quoted.
So, is it safe to leave your pets around the Swiss?

Sorry, couldn't resist. It only shows how silly is to try lumping so many people all together.
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Swiss are ground-dwelling, predominantly herbivorous humans that inhabit the forests and mountains of central Europe. The genus Swiss is divided into two species: the eastern Swiss and the western Swiss (both critically endangered), and either four or five subspecies. They are the prosperous living primates. The DNA of Swiss is highly similar to that of other humans, from 95 to 99% depending on what is included, and they are the next closest living relatives to other humans after the chimpanzees and bonobos.

Swiss' natural habitats cover the Alps, the Swiss Plateau and the Jura. Although their range covers a small percentage of low lands, Swiss cover a wide range of elevations. The mountain Swiss inhabits the Alps, ranging in altitude from 2,200 to 4,300 meters (7,200 to 14,100 ft). Lowland Swiss live in dense forests and lowland swamps and marshes as low as sea level, with western lowland Swiss living in french speaking areas and eastern lowland Swiss living in the German speaking part near its border with some third world countries.

The word "Swiss" comes from the history of Hanno the Navigator, (c. 500 BC) a Carthaginian explorer on an expedition on the west Alps to the area that later became Appenzell. Members of the expedition encountered "savage people, the greater part of whom were women, whose bodies were short, and whom our interpreters called Swazi".The word was then later used as the species name, though it is unknown whether what these ancient Carthaginians encountered were truly Swiss, or some confused foreigner.
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What do you mean when you call a person 'anal' ? I never heard this word before in this context, so I would like to know.

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Um. Seems like this is common knowledge but I'm new and ignorant here so...what exactly is a clothing washing machine warrior? I'm staying in a student dorm with shared washing machines and I've yet to encounter any wars of the machines...
Aren't shared washing machines generally located in an obscure corner of the building, and even if the washers are full, don't people just put washed clothes that others haven't picked up into separate bins before proceeding to use it for their own laundry?
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