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Swiss people, what to know (by a Swiss)

Swiss mentality varies significantly in the German, French and Italian speaking areas.

For the Italian sector, read up on Northern Italian culture and traditions.
The French, read up on French culture and then mix it in with what I am writing below. The German part of Switzerland, read below.

The Bad:

- Stubborn. We CH are always right, even if we are wrong.
- Like to start conflicts (without use of force or foul language) over small ridiculous reasons, aka better knowers.
- Jede da isch en Polizischt oder pensionierte Polizischt "everyone here is either a police officer or a retired police officer".
- not united / uncooperative unless you pay for a service
- extremely hard to make friendships
- distrust new faces immediately instead of rather being welcoming
- judge people too fast by appearance and initial comments
- do never forget a bad experience (bad as in it isn't even so bad), grab to it until the end of days to get back to someone.
- too much negative stereotyping of foreign nations (not racism, racism is common, but not more or less like in any other countries, the stereotyping is bad however).
- Better knowers
- Problems with small talk, extremely direct and appear distrusting to people that apply social small talk with them, but then they do small talk themselves...
- Complain and complain instead of taking action when it would really matter. But for small ridiculous things, we do start conflicts immediately as mentioned already.
- negative feedback and friendly complaints here unacceptable unless you are at a very expensive restaurant or hotel, and even there you often hear: Oh, sie sind aber de erscht wo reklamiert!! "you are the first that ever complained"
- unfriendly government employee. Police can be extremely rude.
- boring in general, but the few here that are the opposite of boring, make up for it (we got some serious extreme sportsmen and women that do crazy stuff !! perhaps list this also as good!) no, but really, people here are boring.
- careful whom to offer an apology here, people s...t on your apology half the time and make you feel even worse.
- clothing washing machine warriors in apartments. MAKE SURE YOU RENT AN APARTMENT THAT HAS ONE IN YOUR APARTMENT AND NOT ONE THAT YOU SHARE, YES, I NEED TO WRITE THAT IN CAPS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD !!!!!!
- Jealous. If you drive a Ferrari, you are either a crook, thief, criminal or other scum.
- Unfriendly > Friendly . If someone looks unfriendly here, he or she is !! If someone looks friendly, that person can become quickly very unfriendly!!!
- Stressed. Stress is not good, but people here always seem to be stressed... everything works here, public transport, organization, etc, but people always stressed. We have a high heart attack and suicide rate, extremely high by the way!
- Not really social when it is time to be social. So you go to that fare, you see a huge long wooden table with a long wooden seating bench. It appears you are in a medieval festival, the music is going, the sausages are grilling, but, the people that sit there and eat all look sadly in front of them, instead of interacting interestingly and friendly with the people to the left, right and in front !!!
- Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't make the slightest noise when a lot of people are around and it is extremely silent. Turn your phone to silent!!! Watch the scowls if you make noise.


The Good:

- Civilized in general
- Educated
- Trustworthy when it matters
- Well organized and on time
- Very animal friendly
- Clean. With one/herself and with nature
- Curious. (careful here. Swiss tend to want to know all about you but when it is their turn, good luck finding out more than name, age, work and where they were born.)
- Cooperative in times of danger. People here don't look the other way and pretend that someone else will for sure help and all is ok when someone is in need of help.
- Child friendly
- Nature friendly
- Orderly (don't commit crimes, fights, foul language, but Generation Y is picking up on that so let's see how it is in 20 years)
- Chivalry towards handicapped and older people. Get your rear out of that chair and offer it to an elderly person. Help an elderly person cross the street.
- Love to receive positive feedback (who doesn't, well, with love, I mean love. You want to make friends here, probably the easiest way is admiring someone and telling the person that in the face).
- Silent when it is time to be quiet.

So, that kind of sums it up, for sure I forgot a billion of things, but this kind of serves as a general idea. Sorry if I hurt any fellow Swiss, and don't try argue with me here, because I won't argue back, I know better than to argue back to a fellow Swiss
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Swiss mentality varies significantly in the German, French and Italian speaking areas.

For the Italian sector, read up on Northern Italian culture and traditions.
The French, read up on French culture and then mix it in with what I am writing below. The German part of Switzerland, read below.

The Bad:

- Stubborn. We CH are always right, even if we are wrong.
- Like to start conflicts (without use of force or foul language) over small ridiculous reasons, aka better knowers.
- Jede da isch en Polizischt oder pensionierte Polizischt "everyone here is either a police officer or a retired police officer".
- not united / uncooperative unless you pay for a service
- extremely hard to make friendships
- distrust new faces immediately instead of rather being welcoming
- judge people too fast by appearance and initial comments
- do never forget a bad experience (bad as in it isn't even so bad), grab to it until the end of days to get back to someone.
- too much negative stereotyping of foreign nations (not racism, racism is common, but not more or less like in any other countries, the stereotyping is bad however).
- Better knowers
- Problems with small talk, extremely direct and appear distrusting to people that apply social small talk with them, but then they do small talk themselves...
- Complain and complain instead of taking action when it would really matter. But for small ridiculous things, we do start conflicts immediately as mentioned already.
- negative feedback and friendly complaints here unacceptable unless you are at a very expensive restaurant or hotel, and even there you often hear: Oh, sie sind aber de erscht wo reklamiert!! "you are the first that ever complained"
- unfriendly government employee. Police can be extremely rude.
- boring in general, but the few here that are the opposite of boring, make up for it (we got some serious extreme sportsmen and women that do crazy stuff !! perhaps list this also as good!) no, but really, people here are boring.
- careful whom to offer an apology here, people s...t on your apology half the time and make you feel even worse.
- clothing washing machine warriors in apartments. MAKE SURE YOU RENT AN APARTMENT THAT HAS ONE IN YOUR APARTMENT AND NOT ONE THAT YOU SHARE, YES, I NEED TO WRITE THAT IN CAPS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD !!!!!!
- Jealous. If you drive a Ferrari, you are either a crook, thief, criminal or other scum.
- Unfriendly > Friendly . If someone looks unfriendly here, he or she is !! If someone looks friendly, that person can become quickly very unfriendly!!!
- Stressed. Stress is not good, but people here always seem to be stressed... everything works here, public transport, organization, etc, but people always stressed. We have a high heart attack and suicide rate, extremely high by the way!
- Not really social when it is time to be social. So you go to that fare, you see a huge long wooden table with a long wooden seating bench. It appears you are in a medieval festival, the music is going, the sausages are grilling, but, the people that sit there and eat all look sadly in front of them, instead of interacting interestingly and friendly with the people to the left, right and in front !!!
- Shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't make the slightest noise when a lot of people are around and it is extremely silent. Turn your phone to silent!!! Watch the scowls if you make noise.


The Good:

- Civilized in general
- Educated
- Trustworthy when it matters
- Well organized and on time
- Very animal friendly
- Clean. With one/herself and with nature
- Curious. (careful here. Swiss tend to want to know all about you but when it is their turn, good luck finding out more than name, age, work and where they were born.)
- Cooperative in times of danger. People here don't look the other way and pretend that someone else will for sure help and all is ok when someone is in need of help.
- Child friendly
- Nature friendly
- Orderly (don't commit crimes, fights, foul language, but Generation Y is picking up on that so let's see how it is in 20 years)
- Chivalry towards handicapped and older people. Get your rear out of that chair and offer it to an elderly person. Help an elderly person cross the street.
- Love to receive positive feedback (who doesn't, well, with love, I mean love. You want to make friends here, probably the easiest way is admiring someone and telling the person that in the face).
- Silent when it is time to be quiet.

So, that kind of sums it up, for sure I forgot a billion of things, but this kind of serves as a general idea. Sorry if I hurt any fellow Swiss, and don't try argue with me here, because I won't argue back, I know better than to argue back to a fellow Swiss
You've just reaffirmed what I already knew .......


....... Swiss people over-complicate everything.
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- Stressed. Stress is not good, but people here always seem to be stressed... everything works here, public transport, organization, etc, but people always stressed. We have a high heart attack and suicide rate, extremely high by the way!
I find the opposite to be true to be honest. In Belgium people are far more stressed than here (at least that is how it feels to me)

Switzerland is not really high up in the the suicide rate raking by country and maybe the heart attack rate is linked to the cheese fondue being the swiss national dish
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Ive been in CH for 5 days and ive met (as in, spoken to) one Swiss person. He was trying to rent us his house (which was lovely and huge). He was kinda the opposite of what you are saying however he did know that our rent is being paid for by my husbands company, so he was probably overly friendly coz he liked the idea of 3 years guaranteed rent... Meanwhile a woman in a cafe gave me the ugliest snarly look (and ignored me) - she could have been from anywhere though, i dont know if she was Swiss or not. Cow.
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What a ...


And you mention " too much negative stereotyping", lol, are you talking about your post?


PS: your instructions are quite confused, same as your post in fact...

For French related stereotypes, go down, turn left and on the 2nd post.
For Italian related stereotypes, take right left, quick join to the left lane without blinkers, and find the post, on the front.
For German related stereotypes, look at any German's posts, make some FRCHZZGRRR noises, and you get it.

Thanks for your wonderful eye opening "useful" post it will be great use. When reading in the toilets.
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Ive been in CH for 5 days and ive met (as in, spoken to) one Swiss person. He was trying to rent us his house (which was lovely and huge). He was kinda the opposite of what you are saying however he did know that our rent is being paid for by my husbands company, so he was probably overly friendly coz he liked the idea of 3 years guaranteed rent... Meanwhile a woman in a cafe gave me the ugliest snarly look (and ignored me) - she could have been from anywhere though, i dont know if she was Swiss or not. Cow.
When money is involved, most cultures of western societies will be your greatest fans and friends. If you go to any 5-star hotel here, Kulm in Arosa, Palace St. Moritz, wherever, you will find everything that I wrote to be the exact opposite

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And you mention " too much negative stereotyping", lol, are you talking about your post?


PS: your instructions are quite confused, same as your post in fact...

For French related stereotypes, go down, turn left and on the 2nd post.
For Italian related stereotypes, take right left, quick join to the left lane without blinkers, and find the post, on the front.
For German related stereotypes, look at any German's posts, make some FRCHZZGRRR noises, and you get it.

Thanks for your wonderful eye opening "useful" post it will be great use. When reading in the toilets.
First of all, never read in the toilet, it promotes Hemorrhoids. Not speaking of experience, but in my job branch I did visit a seminar where this was mentioned, please, feel free to read below if you are interested, I might have helped you a great deal for the future !

Source:
http://studenthealth.ucsd.edu/pdfdocs/hemorrhoids.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemorrhoid


This thread is intended for people outside of Switzerland, non-Swiss, so they can have an idea. Whether what I say then becomes truth to them or not is ultimately of course for them to decide. But it is important to me that the people should know the pros and cons. Please feel free to make a counter post with your experience.

As for stereo-typing, I do not stereotype other cultures because I do not know them but after 40+ years in the Swiss culture, I am allowed to stereotype my own culture much more, than people stereotyping cultures they do not know, which is the case here. This is where I differ also from my own people, I talk about a culture that I know well, and not about others that I don't know well.

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Thank you for taking on the burden of being spokesperson for all us Swiss. I was going to make such a list but being a hobby polizist and scowling at Ferraris while they drive by is more time-consuming than one would think.
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Bang on!

Deeply suspicious of anyone foreign (which includes fellow Swiss from the next village, let alone another canton) that is what I've experienced.

Passive/aggressive behavior is also high up on my list of experiences with Swiss people. They love to gossip behind the backs of others which leads to my next point.

Mobbing behavior is pervasive throughout German speaking parts of Switzerland. They love to gang up on those that they perceive as a threat to destroy anyone who dares to stand out, step outside of the box and be different, especially if that person doesn't belong to the local tribe. Elsewhere it's called the Tall Poppy syndrome!

Conformists.

Where is the independent media? Seems to me like most newspapers are nothing more than government propaganda machines.

Of all the Swiss I've met it's those with higher levels of education along with previous international work/living experiences who seem to be more open minded in general.

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- Jede da isch en Polizischt oder pensionierte Polizischt "everyone here is either a police officer or a retired police officer".
Yes, but police in TI are different than those in ZH.

Or maybe not, 20 years ago I helped a ZH Kripo friend change his exhaust to something that would pass MFK.

He looked like a bum, and carried a gun, what else could I do?

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You've just reaffirmed what I already knew .......


....... Swiss people over-complicate everything.
You've never been to Italy, France, Germany, or Austria, have you?

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Thank you for taking on the burden of being spokesperson for all us Swiss. I was going to make such a list but being a hobby polizist and scowling at Ferraris while they drive by is more time-consuming than one would think.
I assume you stopped reading where the pros/good things were and only read through the cons. I am sorry if you felt insulted, this was not intended, but perhaps you can shed some light and proof me wrong by making your own post. I am not a lawmaker here, nor am I writing this on stone. If people disagree, they can make other topics to help other cultures and nationals perhaps understand us better. Again, sorry I caused you discomfort, but I will stick with my opinion. But if it makes you feel better, please have a look at the pros, and then tell me what you disagree with there.
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You live in the wrong part, we LOVE Ferraris around here!

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Yes, but police in TI are different than those in ZH.

Or maybe not, 20 years ago I helped a ZH Kripo friend change his exhaust to something that would pass MFK.

He looked like a bum, and carried a gun, what else could I do?

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I wish that the German part of CH would have much more TI influence I remember when I was in Porto Ronco near Locarno with my wife on a boat of small passenger ship. He had the hair of Che, cuban cigar and when I asked how it is to drive the boat, he put me on the steer and made me navigate it! Imagine someone doing this in the Zürisee!!! Dream on
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I wish that the German part of CH would have much more TI influence I remember when I was in Porto Ronco near Locarno with my wife on a boat of small passenger ship. He had the hair of Che, cuban cigar and when I asked how it is to drive the boat, he put me on the steer and made me navigate it! Imagine someone doing this in the Zürisee!!! Dream on
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swiss mentality varies significantly in the german, french and italian speaking areas.

For the italian sector, read up on northern italian culture and traditions.
The french, read up on french culture and then mix it in with what i am writing below. The german part of switzerland, read below.

the good

- stubborn. We ch are always right, even if we are wrong.
- like to start conflicts (without use of force or foul language) over small ridiculous reasons, aka better knowers.
- jede da isch en polizischt oder pensionierte polizischt "everyone here is either a police officer or a retired police officer".
- not united / uncooperative unless you pay for a service
- extremely hard to make friendships
- distrust new faces immediately instead of rather being welcoming
- judge people too fast by appearance and initial comments
- do never forget a bad experience (bad as in it isn't even so bad), grab to it until the end of days to get back to someone.
- too much negative stereotyping of foreign nations (not racism, racism is common, but not more or less like in any other countries, the stereotyping is bad however).
- better knowers
- problems with small talk, extremely direct and appear distrusting to people that apply social small talk with them, but then they do small talk themselves...
- complain and complain instead of taking action when it would really matter. But for small ridiculous things, we do start conflicts immediately as mentioned already.
- negative feedback and friendly complaints here unacceptable unless you are at a very expensive restaurant or hotel, and even there you often hear: Oh, sie sind aber de erscht wo reklamiert!! "you are the first that ever complained"
- unfriendly government employee. Police can be extremely rude.
- boring in general, but the few here that are the opposite of boring, make up for it (we got some serious extreme sportsmen and women that do crazy stuff !! Perhaps list this also as good!) no, but really, people here are boring.
- careful whom to offer an apology here, people s...t on your apology half the time and make you feel even worse.
- clothing washing machine warriors in apartments. Make sure you rent an apartment that has one in your apartment and not one that you share, yes, i need to write that in caps for your own good !!!!!!
- jealous. If you drive a ferrari, you are either a crook, thief, criminal or other scum.
- unfriendly > friendly . If someone looks unfriendly here, he or she is !! If someone looks friendly, that person can become quickly very unfriendly!!!
- stressed. Stress is not good, but people here always seem to be stressed... Everything works here, public transport, organization, etc, but people always stressed. We have a high heart attack and suicide rate, extremely high by the way!
- not really social when it is time to be social. So you go to that fare, you see a huge long wooden table with a long wooden seating bench. It appears you are in a medieval festival, the music is going, the sausages are grilling, but, the people that sit there and eat all look sadly in front of them, instead of interacting interestingly and friendly with the people to the left, right and in front !!!
- shhhhhhhhhhh. Don't make the slightest noise when a lot of people are around and it is extremely silent. Turn your phone to silent!!! Watch the scowls if you make noise.
- civilized in general
- educated
- trustworthy when it matters
- well organized and on time
- very animal friendly
- clean. With one/herself and with nature
- curious. (careful here. Swiss tend to want to know all about you but when it is their turn, good luck finding out more than name, age, work and where they were born.)
- cooperative in times of danger. People here don't look the other way and pretend that someone else will for sure help and all is ok when someone is in need of help.
- child friendly
- nature friendly
- orderly (don't commit crimes, fights, foul language, but generation y is picking up on that so let's see how it is in 20 years)
- chivalry towards handicapped and older people. Get your rear out of that chair and offer it to an elderly person. Help an elderly person cross the street.
- love to receive positive feedback (who doesn't, well, with love, i mean love. You want to make friends here, probably the easiest way is admiring someone and telling the person that in the face).
- silent when it is time to be quiet.

So, that kind of sums it up, for sure i forgot a billion of things, but this kind of serves as a general idea. Sorry if i hurt any fellow swiss, and don't try argue with me here, because i won't argue back, i know better than to argue back to a fellow swiss

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