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A wee bit? Definetly. But listen to yourself!

“Tesco [blah blah blah]”
I basically agree, and nowhere on this site will you find me claiming supremacy of Tesco’s veggies from personal opinion, tomatoes, the often cited example are larger and look perfect and do not taste of tomato, there are other ingredients however, South African apples for example that taste just fine

Your words: “I usually find”, “I avoid any of that looks ropey”, “I’ve been unlucky a couple of times”, “on the whole the produce isn’t bad” and “Misshapen veggies in Migros which perhaps only last a couple of days”.
Ask me about Familiar or HL Markt in Germany, Albert Hein in the Netherlands, France’s supermarkets (not Monoprix) or just about anything in Italy and I will point out to you that they are not only tastier but last longer than anything the two supermarkets in CH provide. For the 30th time, it is not that the UK produce is better, its that the Swiss supermarkets are screwing over their customers with poor to awful quality veggies. Just try buying an avocado or a sweet potato, 9/10 the avocado’s are too ripe or as hard as stone, the Sweet potatoes are the size of my PC’s mouse. Fruit is a life-risker (except bananas for some reason) and potatoes come pre-rotten in a plastic bag. Onions are sold in two varieties, old and rotten or just rotten. Often in 2kg bags of which you end up binning 75%, I mean, who needs 2KG of onions?

Its nuts, the entire Swiss public goes along to these supermarkets and buys their crap because they don’t know any better or have had a chance to know better. Remember, they are getting Swiss Quality!

The poster I was replying to earlier clearly has no idea what decent veg look like, but at least it is not their fault. You, perhaps even worse, realise that the quality is poor (based on your quotes above) but give it the shrug and think that you are getting taste at the cost of some rotten product!!! It really really doesn’t have to be this way. Go across a sodding border and find out for yourself!
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You, perhaps even worse, realise that the quality is poor (based on your quotes above) but give it the shrug
If your definition of quality is something that's pimped with hormones, that has no taste, but looks like a photo from a cookery book and has a long shelf life, then obviously we're talking about two different concepts of quality here.

The concept of fresh food dervies from the concept that you eat it before it goes bad. Not that you genetically engineer it and spray it so it won't show its age.

If you want to store food, buy it in tins. If you want to enjoy it fresh, buy it fresh.The supermarkets are open six day a week if you haven't noticed - and seven days in places. Not just once a month as your demands on shelf life seem to imply.
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Often in 2kg bags of which you end up binning 75%, I mean, who needs 2KG of onions?
I don't know where you go shopping but I never have trouble getting individual onions. You can normally pick your onions individually and make sure you don't get any rotten ones. Quite besides which I've never seen a rotten onion in a shop. Actually, if your onions are going rotten you're storing them wrongly. Mine will sprout long before they'll rot. I think I haven't thrown away an onion because it was rotten for years.
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Tesco is absolutely massive, they have the best profile of the UK shopper available thought the clubcard. They know exactly what will sell and what will not. It's down to demand, if they think they can sell rabbit at no profit they will probably do so to give them an edge above the competition. If they think that selling rabbit or horse will offend a minority and give ASDA or Sainsbury's spindoctors an edge they will not.
As a previous poster pointed out, they have no qualm over selling it in cat food. So obviously anybody who is offended by the killing of rabbits for food has already been offended. And they have a lot of other stuff on their shelves that obviously only appeals to small minorities so the logistics of handling small quantities are not the issue either.

The only issue that I can see is an aversion to risk taking.
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Reading this thread makes me realise that I am lucky to have a Manor food supermarket close by. It may be slightly more expensive for fruit and veg than Migros and the Coop (although often competes well on price), but I am only rarely disappointed with the quality.
I second this. You have to check the bags of onions as they can be ropey bit Manor sells them individually too so you can select the ones you want. Otherwise quality is usually pretty good. As I've said before I think they pass on the stuff which approaches end of shelf life to their restaurants which normally live side by side with the supermarket and offer excellent value lunches.
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As far as I'm concerned I can't make proper Paella without proper rabbit

Are you still wittering on about your friends problems in London? I thought we covered Rabbit at Butchers not on shelf earlier? It is not impossible to find, it is just not in supermarkets – your woes are over.

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FFS Amogles, read my post. I accept that EN is not your native language but I said basically agree, and nowhere on this site will you find me claiming supremacy of Tesco’s veggies from personal opinion, tomatoes, the often cited example are larger and look perfect and do not taste of tomato”

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I go shopping in the supermarket in the 2kg onions-in-plastic-bags aisle… OK. In this point you are correct, I guess I didn’t have to buy 2KG of onions for 3 CHF or whatever the cost… I remember it being a bargain.. I’m off for an 11 storey fag break.
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The poster I was replying to earlier clearly has no idea what decent veg look like, but at least it is not their fault. You, perhaps even worse, realise that the quality is poor (based on your quotes above) but give it the shrug and think that you are getting taste at the cost of some rotten product!!! It really really doesn’t have to be this way. Go across a sodding border and find out for yourself!
If you read correctly, you would see that I don't find the quality "poor", I find it not bad. I also have been over the "sodding" border to Italy, France, Germany and Austria and found that the quality of foodstuffs is also not bad. Not so different to Switzerland, I found.

Having said that, we were on a touring holiday last year in Italy through Tuscany then Umbria and during food shopping trips we found staples such as spuds, onions and mushrooms were in a shocking state and, EUR for CHF, bl00dy expensive.

Apples were also terrible but we survived on great peaches, apricots and melons which were superior to the Swiss offerings.
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OK, not bad. Not good either. Sorry to hear of your failure to be satisfied by over the boarder products. Personally I tend to find them superior.

Been in CH long?
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Oerlikon has two a week in the square behind the SwissHotel, Wednesday til 12pm and Saturday til 12pm. There is an Italian meat and cheese stall towards the back (last but one row furthest from the hotel IIRC). Products to die for, pricey of course. But the taste...
Why not contribute to this thread the location and hours of all Farmers Markets in the environs of Zuerich and let the shoppers determine when and where they can go for fruit and produce. The added cost, if any, are surely worth any inconvenience it may pose to get to the open markets.
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Well if you ever need something thats proving tricky, let me know, I go about once a quarter.

2lb blocks of velveeta... hmmmmmm
I just had to say this... You complain that here at Migros and Coop you can't get fresh produce... but then you buy the phoniest cheese there is. Velveeta has to be the most processed of all cheeses, hmmm can it really be called cheese at all??? There are so many cheeses and real ones right here in Switzerland. I guess cheese is the last thing I would bring over. But to each his own...
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I just had to say this... You complain that here at Migros and Coop you can't get fresh produce... but then you buy the phoniest cheese there is. Velveeta has to be the most processed of all cheeses, hmmm can it really be called cheese at all??? There are so many cheeses and real ones right here in Switzerland. I guess cheese is the last thing I would bring over. But to each his own...
1. I don't think I ever complained about Swiss cheese. though the majority, as you mention it, is over rated which is a pity as it drags down the reputation of the cheeses that deserve it. I will leave that argument to others (Mike).

2. Velveeta, in 2lb blocks, is not cheese persee you are absolutely correct, but heated, mixed with a can of medium Rotel and 1lb of cooked mince beef and then placed either in taco's, eaten with doritos (sp?) then it is a mighty fine tex-mex party dip. Think of it as a Mexican fondue.

If it was served cold in a sandwich I would gag. As above however, it is great. Any yanks out there wish to comment?
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Don't know about the choice.
Last time I tried to buy rabbit at a Tescoes the guy looked at me as if I'd just come from the Moon. The choice of cheese is pretty miserable. The organic stuff (if you can find it all) is a bit of a joke and overpriced at that. The bread only stays soft because it's got more chemicals than wheat. Ditto for the fresh strawberries you get in February (they actually have to fumigate these and then spray them with strawberry essence so they smell right). Your so called choice often just amounts to the same product with different wrappers and labels. etc etc etc.
Tesco's website lists 288 types of cheese in stock. Are we sure your friends were in a Tesco's? I understand if they don't like cheddar (51 types) as that would then limit them to only 237 types of cheese. Tricky.

http://www.tesco.com/superstore/prod...?search=cheese
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2. Velveeta, in 2lb blocks, is not cheese persee you are absolutely correct, but heated, mixed with a can of medium Rotel and 1lb of cooked mince beef and then placed either in taco's, eaten with doritos (sp?) then it is a mighty fine tex-mex party dip. Think of it as a Mexican fondue.
It's even quicker to prepare if you use canned chili (e.g. Hormel). I mean if you're going to use Velveeta, you might as well take all the work out of it!
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This website just opens a login window which doesn't tell me very much about cheese.
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Amogles, what is there to groan at? you said there was a miserable choice of cheese, I showed you that there are 288 types available.

And you groan. If you groan at a poster everytime they prove you are talking out of your a** then you must be this websites most prolific groaner.

For the website you will have to join, I did at lunchtime, I assume that is too much effort to check the cheese selection, perhaps you might like me to copy and paste?

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Tesco Italian Grated Parmesan Cheese 50g
From the Cont/Spec Sld/Gtd Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£0.85 (£17.00 per kg)
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St Agur Blue Veined Cheese 150g
From the Stilton & Blue Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.79 (£11.93 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Boursin Full Fatsoft Cheese Withgarlic Herb 150g
HALF PRICE Was £2.02 Now £1.01 Price Cut effective on deliveries from Wednesday 9 July - valid from 09/07/2008 until 29/07/2008
From the Soft Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£2.01 (£13.40 per kg)
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T.Welsh Goat's Cheese 125g
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£1.26 (£10.08 per kg)
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St Helen's Farm Goats Cheese 240g
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£2.85 (£11.88 per kg)
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Capricorn English Goats Cheese Portions
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£1.89 (£14.50 per kg)
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Paneer Full Fat Soft Cheese 227g
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£1.90 (£8.37 per kg)
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Tesco Smoked Cheese 8 Slices 180g
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£1.38 (£7.67 per kg)
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Castelli Dry Grated Cheese 250g
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£1.67 (£6.68 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Boursin Full Fatsoft Cheese Pepper 150g
HALF PRICE Was £2.16 Now £1.08 Price Cut effective on deliveries from Wednesday 9 July - valid from 09/07/2008 until 29/07/2008
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£2.16 (£14.40 per kg)
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Tesco Havarti Cheese Slices 200g
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£1.70 (£8.50 per kg)
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Dairylea Strip Cheese Original 4x21g
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£0.93 (£11.07 per kg)
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Dairylea Strip Cheese 8 Pack 168g
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£1.94 (£11.55 per kg)
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Dairylea Light Cheese Spread 200g
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£0.95 (£4.75 per kg)
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T Light Choices Growing Herbs X Light Soft Cheese 250g
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£0.81 (£3.24 per kg)
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Tesco Cheese Spread 200g
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£0.82 (£4.10 per kg)
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Tesco Light Choice 10 Cheese Singles 200g
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£0.83 (£4.15 per kg)
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Laughing Cow Light Cheese Triangles 140g
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Tesco 10 Cheese Singles 200g
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£0.83 (£4.15 per kg)
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Big Dairylea Cheese Spread 300g
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£1.00 (£3.33 per kg)
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ON OFFER - T Light Choice 20 Cheese Sngls 400g
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£1.48 (£3.70 per kg)
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Primula Original Cheese Spread 150g Tube
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£0.98 (£5.03 per kg)
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Primula Cheese Spread Plus Chives 150 G Tube
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£0.99 (£6.60 per kg)
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Tesco Healthy Living Cheese Triangles 8 Portions 140g
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£0.74 (£5.29 per kg)
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Primula Cheese Spread Plus Ham 150 G Tube
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£0.99 (£5.08 per kg)
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T Light Choice Onion/Chive Xlight Cheese 250g
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£0.81 (£3.24 per kg)
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Primula Original Cheese Spread 200g Pack
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£1.08 (£4.32 per kg)
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Tesco Natural Cottage Cheese 250g
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£0.98 (£3.92 per kg)
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Tesco Value Processed Cheese Spread 150g
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£0.42 (£2.80 per kg)
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T Light Choice Half Fat Cheese Spread 200g
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£0.82 (£4.10 per kg)
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Tesco Cheese Triangles 140g
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£0.74 (£5.29 per kg)
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Tesco Processed Cheese Singles 20 400g
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£1.48 (£3.70 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Dairylea Lunch Chicken/Cheese Stackem 93.9g
3 for £3.00 - valid from 09/07/2008 until 09/09/2008 - add 3 for offer
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£1.24 (£13.21 per kg)
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Loseley Cottage Cheese Natural 200g
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£0.89 (£4.45 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Tesco Mini British Cheese Selection 5x20g
2 for £2.00 - valid from 09/07/2008 until 09/09/2008 - add 2 for offer
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£1.15 (£11.50 per kg)
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Laughing Cow Standard Cheese Triangles 280g
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£1.58 (£5.65 per kg)
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T Light Choices Extra Light Softcheese 250g
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£0.81 (£3.24 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Philadelphia Original 300g
HALF PRICE Was £1.84 Now 92p Price Cut effective on deliveries from Wednesday 9 July - valid from 09/07/2008 until 29/07/2008
From the Cottage And Soft Cheese shelf - see whole shelf

Lil Moo's Organic Cheese Sticks 7x20g
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£1.95 (£13.93 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Natural Cottage Cheese 200g
From the Organic Prepack Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.08 (£5.40 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Goats Cheese 100g
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.12 (£11.20 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Soft Cheese 200g
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£0.90 (£4.50 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Tesco Dutch Organic Edam Cheese 230g
SAVE 32p Was £2.15 Now £1.83 - valid from 18/06/2008 until 29/07/2008
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.83 (£7.96 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Greek Feta 200g
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.73 (£8.65 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Mozzarella Ball 125g
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.09 (£8.72 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Brie Portions
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.95 (£9.50 per kg)
max price per pack
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Castelli Organic Fresh Grated Parmesan 50g
From the Organic Prepack Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.05 (£21.00 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Emmental
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£2.18 (£9.99 per kg)
max price per pack
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Castelli Organic Mascarpone 250g
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£1.50 (£6.00 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Parmigiano Reggiano Portions
From the Organic Continental Cheese shelf - see whole shelf
£17.99 per kgItems:



Tesco Organic Farmhouse Medium Cheddar 320g
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£2.55 (£7.97 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Mild Cheddar 320g
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£1.99 (£6.22 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Farmhouse Red Leicester 320g
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£2.08 (£6.50 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Farmhouse Mature Cheddar 320g
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£2.64 (£8.25 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Farmhouse Double Gloucester 320g
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£2.39 (£7.47 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Yeo Valley Organic Mature Farmhouse Chedder 400g
SAVE 50p Was £3.79 Now £3.29 Price Cut effective on deliveries from Wednesday 9 July - valid from 09/07/2008 until 29/07/2008
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£3.79 (£9.48 per kg)
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ON OFFER - Yeo Valley Organic Medium Cheddar 400g
SAVE 50p Was £3.54 Now £3.04 Price Cut effective on deliveries from Wednesday 9 July - valid from 09/07/2008 until 29/07/2008
From the Organic Cheddar shelf - see whole shelf
£3.54 (£8.85 per kg)
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Tesco Organic Farmhouse Extra Mat 320g
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When I last went back to Blighty, I managed to snaffle some Welsh cheddar. Oh, what joy it was to not have cheese that smelt of pivalic acid...
Apart from a few types, I'm having real trouble in telling most cheeses apart here.
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you are absolutely right on that. this was the most uncalled for groan of all time.
Mods you should strike this from the record.
I think Mr Happys performance on the cheese information bureau is 5 star and I compliment him heartily. I consider myself well informed on the Tesco cheese front now which was a long recognised gap in my knowledge of cheese .



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Amogles, what is there to groan at? you said there was a miserable choice of cheese, I showed you that there are 288 types available.

And you groan. If you groan at a poster everytime they prove you are talking out of your a** then you must be this websites most prolific groaner.

For the website you will have to join, I did at lunchtime, I assume that is too much effort to check the cheese selection, perhaps you might like me to copy and paste?

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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

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Amogles, what is there to groan at? you said there was a miserable choice of cheese, I showed you that there are 288 types available.

And you groan. If you groan at a poster everytime they prove you are talking out of your a** then you must be this websites most prolific groaner.

For the website you will have to join, I did at lunchtime, I assume that is too much effort to check the cheese selection, perhaps you might like me to copy and paste?

I am ready for my groan now...
I didn't groan because of the cheese.

I groaned because of your pedantry.
I made a remark some time back and you've tried to dissect that remark and find fault in it, and every time you fail to prove anything you go back and find another part of that remark to find issue with. You do it with the bread, you do it with the rabbit and now you try again with the cheese.
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

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When I last went back to Blighty, I managed to snaffle some Welsh cheddar. Oh, what joy it was to not have cheese that smelt of pivalic acid...
Nothing but nothing smells worse than cheese breath!
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