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I didn't groan because of the cheese.

I groaned because of your pedantry.
I made a remark some time back and you've tried to dissect that remark and find fault in it, and every time you fail to prove anything you go back and find another part of that remark to find issue with. You do it with the bread, you do it with the rabbit and now you try again with the cheese.
Oh right, an earlier post. Well thats alright then. Sorry I brought it up!
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you are absolutely right on that. this was the most uncalled for groan of all time.
Mods you should strike this from the record.
I think Mr Happys performance on the cheese information bureau is 5 star and I compliment him heartily. I consider myself well informed on the Tesco cheese front now which was a long recognised gap in my knowledge of cheese .
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1. I don't think I ever complained about Swiss cheese. though the majority, as you mention it, is over rated which is a pity as it drags down the reputation of the cheeses that deserve it. I will leave that argument to others (Mike).

2. Velveeta, in 2lb blocks, is not cheese persee you are absolutely correct, but heated, mixed with a can of medium Rotel and 1lb of cooked mince beef and then placed either in taco's, eaten with doritos (sp?) then it is a mighty fine tex-mex party dip. Think of it as a Mexican fondue.

If it was served cold in a sandwich I would gag. As above however, it is great. Any yanks out there wish to comment?
Here is one 'yank' who always hated Velvetta. My mother used it in Mac/cheese but I was usually able to get out of eating it by feigning lack of hunger, eating at a neighbors house, and any excuse I could think up.

In those days there were not a lot of cheeses in the typical USA market, even if it was a swiss market. There was usually some Ementhaler or Guyere Dutch cheese such as Edam and French such as Camembert. These were usually the choices in a gourmet cheese shop until the sixties. Then a wider array of cheeses were available to USA consumers.

Velvetta was a cheap cheese and was given to Americans after the 2nd war as a part of the free food services of the US government. My parents told of these and many other free programs to enhance and diversify the American diet during the rationing days in the latter months and after the war ended.

Velvetta never recalled memories of good times and good food and I have not eaten it in many years.

In the USA it can not be called cheese it must be referred to as a processed cheese spread, Velvetta light is a processed cheese product and Cheez Whiz is a process cheese sauce.

I am very happy that the jet age has brought all the European cheese to the shores of America so we can enjoy these many cheeses as though we were in the heart of Europe on any given day.
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Old 08.07.2008, 21:05
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1. I don't think I ever complained about Swiss cheese. though the majority, as you mention it, is over rated which is a pity as it drags down the reputation of the cheeses that deserve it. I will leave that argument to others (Mike).

2. Velveeta, in 2lb blocks, is not cheese persee you are absolutely correct, but heated, mixed with a can of medium Rotel and 1lb of cooked mince beef and then placed either in taco's, eaten with doritos (sp?) then it is a mighty fine tex-mex party dip. Think of it as a Mexican fondue.

If it was served cold in a sandwich I would gag. As above however, it is great. Any yanks out there wish to comment?
Yes, Velveeta is as fake as Cheese Whiz (cheese in can? puhleeze ...) but it is a great basis for queso and various other TexMex culinary pleasures.

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Old 08.07.2008, 22:26
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1. I don't think I ever complained about Swiss cheese. though the majority, as you mention it, is over rated which is a pity as it drags down the reputation of the cheeses that deserve it. I will leave that argument to others (Mike).
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When I last went back to Blighty, I managed to snaffle some Welsh cheddar. Oh, what joy it was to not have cheese that smelt of pivalic acid...
Apart from a few types, I'm having real trouble in telling most cheeses apart here.
Most commonly available cheese (i.e. in supermarkets) in any country can be quite poor (and in the case of Switzerland, I agree is over rated) and most cheese in Switzerland is pretty much the same style, at first glance at least. Most is pressed, washed rind cheese from Alpine pastures and the best is fabulous, the worst can be pretty awful (as I found out last week).

But, there are many outstanding cheeses in Switzerland that just do not make it to the supermarket shelves because it is made in small quantities from Artisan cheese makers - a soft creamy blue from Emmental, mould ripened alpine cheese from Val Müstair, small French style cheeses from Toggenberg made from goat and sheep milk - they are truly fantastic. But, you have to go to a cheese shop not a supermarket.

And all of the above exactly corresponds to the UK, the supermarkets sell factory made cheeses, Cheshire, Wensleydale, Red Leicester, Double Gloucester, Caerphilly, Lancashire, Mild & Mature Cheddar - one factory will make the lot, and apart from slight differences in texture, colour and (sometimes) flavour - they are essentially the same "cheese".

Looking at Mr Happy's Tesco cheese offer (albeit only a quarter of what is available from them - surely the longest post on EF?) very little of that is real cheese (lots of spreads) but I will admit that Tesco is going some way at least to promote local "real" cheese and it's makers with a cheese award program (can't find the link at the mo).

At the same time I can also applaud Co-op here for promoting local cheese - our local big one in Sargans has one fridge with between 4 and 6 very local cheeses and they are pretty good, and not too expensive.

So, to sum up, buy Swiss cheese from a cheese shop, and British cheese in the UK from a cheese-monger - I know you will all be pleasantly surprised
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well i lived in Uganda for 2 years, the fresh fruit and veges are about 6 times more tasty and 10 times cheaper than UK, australia or swizerland but the majority of the locals still can't afford it because they earn about one percent of the average swiss wage. if you don't like it don't buy it, life is good, really
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But, there are many outstanding cheeses in Switzerland that just do not make it to the supermarket shelves ....
Thats cause you hi jack them on the way
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take it easy son i am here to support you in everything you do . as always....


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Old 09.07.2008, 11:06
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OK, not bad. Not good either. Sorry to hear of your failure to be satisfied by over the border products. Personally I tend to find them superior.

Been in CH long?
Only 8 years...

And kudos for doing so much research on Tesco cheeses. You must have muchos time on your hands...
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Only 8 years...
That would explain it, its too long and time for you to move, my little Swisser than the Swiss...

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Old 09.07.2008, 11:25
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That would explain it, its too long and time for you to move, my little Swisser than the Swiss...

Let me guess... if I had said 6 months the reply would have been:

"Well you have no real experience yet to comment"

Oder?

Sounds a bit obvious but if your quality antennae is being seriously crippled why don't you go somewhere where they sell food up to your standard?

Next door to Fortnum and Mason, perhaps?
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I really should update my location thingy...

I knew your answer wasn't going to be 6 months because of all the other locations you have visited. And I could almost have bet my first born that it wasn't going to be 3 years because you are blind to what most people on this thread are agreeing to. So I knew you were a long-term.

We've both been out of the UK long-term, I am just not enamoured (SP?) by CH as much as you appear to be and I am definetly not liking Swiss Supermarkets as much as you do. I was in Albert Hein last night just picking up some bottled water (Spa as it happens, no, you can't get it in CH) and I double checked and nothing I saw there made me thing that COOP is superior.
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I was in Albert Hein last night just picking up some bottled water (Spa as it happens, no, you can't get it in CH) and <snip>.
Hi Mr Happy, if you're going to refer to Dutch supermarkets as often as you do, at least spell it correctly. It's Albert Heijn!

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I really should update my location thingy...

I knew your answer wasn't going to be 6 months because of all the other locations you have visited. And I could almost have bet my first born that it wasn't going to be 3 years because you are blind to what most people on this thread are agreeing to. So I knew you were a long-term.

We've both been out of the UK long-term, I am just not enamoured (SP?) by CH as much as you appear to be and I am definetly not liking Swiss Supermarkets as much as you do. I was in Albert Hein last night just picking up some bottled water (Spa as it happens, no, you can't get it in CH) and I double checked and nothing I saw there made me thing that COOP is superior.
But given that you started this thread on a tenuous "the ex colleague of a friend told me..." and that the supermarkets are "instructed" to go for the lowest quality, without any factual evidence to back this up (not even a damning report in Swiss Info).

I've got all sorts of horror stories told to me by friends of friends but it would be a bit dumb to post it here and advise people to change their habits based on something which could be a disgruntled ex employee trying to damage his former firm and use gullible people to spread the word.

Yes (I repeat) I have seen sub-standard produce in Swiss supermarkets but I tut, then avoid it and buy the stuff that's of acceptable quality to me. I don't think for one minute that there is a policy "written" or "unwritten" to actively buy crap stuff.

I don't think I have become "Swisser than Swiss", I just need a bit more evidence on ridiculous unsubstantiated claims backed up with endless lists of Tesco cheeses to convince me to make a weekly trip to Holland to feed my family.

Sheesh!
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Old 09.07.2008, 13:31
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

I wholly agree with Sandgrounder that I've seen substandard veggies at Migros/Coop. I just don't buy them. Why set myself up for failure?

A couple of observations:

- the fruit and veggies I buy in Germany spoil as fast as the stuff from Migros or Coop, being essentially from the same mass producers (like e.g. the tricolore bell peppers), same packaging, just different labels
- the fruit and veggies I buy at the farmers market or Greek/Turkish/Asian greengrocers don't spoil as fast.
- most kitchen-ready (peeled, cut etc.) veggies and salads at Coop/Migros are produced by GastroStar (know a driver of their refrigerated trucks), they're packaged "unter Schutzatmosphäre" (read: nitrogen). You open the package, out comes the nitrogen gas and the spoiling process starts. Actually an indicator of freshness.
- cooking is, to a big part, planning. If you buy more of fresh produce than you need, do something with it!

Please note your fridge, a very humid environment, is not ideal to store it medium *let alone long*term.

So, whatever you have left over:
- blanch, then freeze
- cook a stew/soup/sauce, then freeze
- dehydrate/dry
- preserve in jam jars/tins

I for example, hate to throw out half a pack of carrots, green beans, spring onions, cabbage , bean sprouts etc.
Yes, you guessed right, that's the ingredients bought separately for a stirfry.
Solution? Atjar Tjampoer (or Atjar Taugé if bean sprouts are the main ingredient)!
Doesn't take more than 10 minutes, keeps for 6 months unopened and about a month opened in the fridge.

If life gives you lemons... eh?
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Let me revive this thread for a general observation: I forgot three tomatoes at the back of my fridge for two weeks. Just had two, perfectly edible and not rotten.
And for god's sake, we're talking *belgian* tomatoes here.

I always defended the quality of food in swiss supermarkets, but there is no way this could have happened with swiss produce. Buy your stuff in Italy or France, if you can.
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Let me revive this thread for a general observation: I forgot three tomatoes at the back of my fridge for two weeks. Just had two, perfectly edible and not rotten.
And for god's sake, we're talking *belgian* tomatoes here.
Do dioxins help to preserve food, then?
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Old 13.09.2008, 17:10
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Do dioxins help to preserve food, then?
We're in belgium here. We only use radioactive Iodine for our produce.

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Old 13.09.2008, 19:58
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

I also regularly shop and Migros and Coop and have found that food does go bad quicker than in other places. I was actually happy about this, assuming that less chemicals are used.

I remember an experiement we did in the US with leaving some milk out in the heat and humidity in Florida and two weeks later it was still fine.

Another option is to shop at smaller fruit/veggie shops, which I also do regularly because they have a nicer selection. But the price is considerably higher. Just yesterday I bought some fruit and veggies (not a lot, about two bags full) and paid 140 CHF. Shocking, isn't it?
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Old 14.09.2008, 22:15
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Hmm. I think that some of you should go fruit & veg shopping at a Tesco's in Czech or Hungary... I think you will have nothing to complain about after that.

The fruit & veg here is pretty good in my opinion. Maybe not as good as in Tesco's UK but then most likely (though my knowledge of German/Italian/French is too poor to help me verify it) because they use a lot less preservatives here than in the food packing for the UK, and possibly even Germany. Most of the supermarket food that is not vacuum packed (see Waitrose or M&S etc) has oxygen scavenging chemicals in the pack, however I have seen little evidence of that type of packaging in Switzerland. Tesco's, Sainsbury's, Waitrose, M&S all allegedly use chemical oxygen scavenging in their food packs which are not necessarily labelled on the packs as they are packed either in an environment which contains them or the materials they are packed in contain the chemicals which activate when wetted by the produce. Ask any food technologist they can tell you what chemicals are commonly used.

The choices here in Switz surely are not as rich as those in the UK which is what I find are the biggest differences.
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