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Old 14.09.2008, 22:19
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Been there, done that. Hungary, anyway. You can get some nice rotten fruit and veggies if people don't run you down with their shopping carts first.
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Old 14.09.2008, 22:27
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My friend told me (and now you can tell your friends that you heard it from a bloke on the internet) the following:


He has a friend - ex colleague actually - who is a buyer for COOP. Apprently, when all the bidding for the fruit and veg takes place, He is always under instructions to get the lowest possible quality (actually the instructions are cheapest but you know what that means). Apparently it is well known in the industry that the Brits (Tesco, Sainsbury's, ASDA etc) take the best for the UK, the other european nations then go in at various levels and at the very bottom of the pile, is Migros and COOP. They buy stuff knowing that it'll be rotting in a few days because its cheap. It doesn't matter apparently because the consumer is so "sure-in-their-own-minds" that because they are in Switzerland, it has to be the best..


So the next time you are looking at a mouldy rotten selection in COOP, remember that you should be shopping somewhere else.
Your friend, Sir, is obviously either clueless or completely deluded.

The quality of produce sold at the Swiss grocers matches or exceeds that of produce found in most European chain stores. You may not like the tomatoes here or miss the American style toast bread, but thats your perception and taste - and nothing to do with quality.

Besides, there isn't one central market where buyers from all the chains stand around shouting bids for the apples...hence, this 'well known' fact is obviously the product of a delusional imagination.

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Old 15.09.2008, 21:51
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Twaddle.

Mrs Boris bought a loaf of Sonnenbrot (the best of the Swiss breads) from the Co-op, where they claim they bake twice a day in store. Hmm. The loaf was toasty warm on the outside and a big lump of ice in the middle. Not just cold, but actually frozen. It wasn't just frozen dough, but was already raised, indicating that it had been cooked elsewhere and then frozen.
So when they say they bake twice daily, they mean they lightly warm up frozen loaves made elsewhere, which might help explain why the damn' stuff goes stale so fast here.
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Old 15.09.2008, 21:58
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That sucks! I thought they had really good bread.
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Old 15.09.2008, 22:07
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Well, just to reheat (or toast, if you prefer) the whole Swiss bread thing, we have found a couple of types that are ok. Tessinerbrot is quite nice and breaks into handy rolls (and is much cheaper than buying five rolls), halbweissbrot is ok, although becomes like stiff insulation foam very quickly on contact with air (I'm thinking about storing it in the nitrogen-filled glove box at work if it wasn't for the cyanide residues), but Sonnenbrot wins it. Crispy (not immensely chewy as most bread crusts are here) on the outside and fluffy and light inside.
However, the thing that lets it down a bit is the butter. How can a country which produces the best milk I've ever tasted produce such immensely expensive, yet so utterly bland, butter?
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Your friend, Sir, is obviously either clueless or completely deluded.

The quality of produce sold at the Swiss grocers matches or exceeds that of produce found in most European chain stores. You may not like the tomatoes here or miss the American style toast bread, but thats your perception and taste - and nothing to do with quality.

Besides, there isn't one central market where buyers from all the chains stand around shouting bids for the apples...hence, this 'well known' fact is obviously the product of a delusional imagination.
Hmmm, and yet I have now met the guy in question and have his business card which says that he works for XYZ in that team..

As for your assertions on Swiss quality being equal or beyond the rest of Europe you are in the minority on this thread, without counting my way through I'd say an easy 75% or more posters think its worse. Obviously, if you happen to have a secret COOP and Migros stores in mind then perhaps you couldtell us where they are, because the COOP in Oerlikon and Flums is sppalling.
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Old 17.09.2008, 19:39
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So when they say they bake twice daily, they mean they lightly warm up frozen loaves made elsewhere, which might help explain why the damn' stuff goes stale so fast here.
Bread in Coop is bad. But not normally bad, but bad bad bad. In all shops, even the biggest, they only stuff frozen bread in the oven and reheat it. It's so ridiculous, it's not even funny.

Bread in Migros, on the other hand, is really really good, especially if your local Migros actually bakes the bread. Most smaller shops only reheat it. But if you buy the little bread rolls already packaged, they are very good all the same.

At the Migros in Wettingen, I used to go directly at the bread section and look at what the bakers were doing. If they were hanging by the oven, I knew that I had just enough time to do my shopping before they'd take bread out of the oven. Which of course made for a heavenly treat on the way home.
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The fruit & veg here is pretty good in my opinion. Maybe not as good as in Tesco's UK but then most likely (though my knowledge of German/Italian/French is too poor to help me verify it) because they use a lot less preservatives here than in the food packing for the UK, and possibly even Germany.
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The choices here in Switz surely are not as rich as those in the UK which is what I find are the biggest differences.
You don't need to be a blackbelt Lean Six Sigma genius to know that more choice = less turn-over. I suspect that one of COOP and Migro's problems is their inability to shift enough Rice Krispies Cereal therefore they're unwilling to stock Rice Krispies Cakes.


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Old 17.09.2008, 21:31
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more choice = less turn-over
Surely that's only one rule of many, or how do you explain the chocolate shelves in Migros and Coop?

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Old 17.09.2008, 23:04
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Looks impressive, but you can divide that aisle by four or nine (depending on the bar) to get the number of different types.
Anyhoo, regardless of everything else they sell, Swiss chocolate's not involved in this argument...
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Looks impressive, but you can divide that aisle by four or nine (depending on the bar) to get the number of different types.
Anyhoo, regardless of everything else they sell, Swiss chocolate's not involved in this argument...
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Surely that's only one rule of many, or how do you explain the chocolate shelves in Migros and Coop?

ghhh, how DO YOU explain the chocolate shops in Mig or Cop?
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Old 18.09.2008, 08:43
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Surely that's only one rule of many, or how do you explain the chocolate shelves in Migros and Coop?

Sorry, but I didn't get it - is this picture now to demonstrate that variety is high or low? I would say its low as you can only see a couple of different types and probably just one or two brands of chocolate. Compare that to an aisle in a German supermarket....
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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

The size of the market, and range of products will obviously directly impact the turnover of a particular product. The importance of rapid turnover is more of an issue with perishables. The chocolate or tinned goods for example have a shelf life in years. Although there are other factors like JIT so you avoid having your money tied up in stock...

I don't know how stock on a shelf if valued, but I guess, like an option, the value will tend to zero as the sell-by date approaches...unless you sell rotten food as some shops seem to...

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Re: Migros and COOP - Low quality explained...

Indeed, I stopped buying bread in the coop after maybe the 10th loaf. It is utter rubbish and I don't understand how they sell enough of it that they keep selling it. If I have to buy bread from a supermarket then it has to be from Migros. Preferably one where the bakery is in the shop.

Most of the time I only buy bread from a bakery. The best thing about the time we had to spend working in Wengen was the bread. There was a fantastic baker on the main street in town. Have never found another one to match it but still, small bakeries are the best place for me.

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Bread in Coop is bad. But not normally bad, but bad bad bad. In all shops, even the biggest, they only stuff frozen bread in the oven and reheat it. It's so ridiculous, it's not even funny.

Bread in Migros, on the other hand, is really really good,...
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I don't know how stock on a shelf if valued, but I guess, like an option, the value will tend to zero as the sell-by date approaches...
It would be interesting to know actually if the internal-accounting model for Mig and Cop is the same as other countries supermarkets. I know that some swiss companies are run by the "wrong dept" (Credit Suisse for example is run to manage costs, so its HR, then IT and then Business which is the direct opposite it appears of the UK & US banking model of Bus, IT, HR).

I wonder I wonder...
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Bread in Coop is bad. But not normally bad, but bad bad bad. In all shops, even the biggest, they only stuff frozen bread in the oven and reheat it. It's so ridiculous, it's not even funny.
A couple of years ago I would've agreed. I don't know if bread in Coop is really frozen. I had to eat frozen bread for a couple of years and it tasted totally different. Some bread in Coop is really quite good these days. I can't say the same about bread in Migros. I think ridiculous really applies to bread in Migros
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The quality of produce sold at the Swiss grocers matches or exceeds that of produce found in most European chain stores.
I am obviously going to the wrong one. where do you buy your onions?
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oh no - you are sooo right on here


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The quality of produce sold at the Swiss grocers matches or exceeds that of produce found in most European chain stores
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