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Even during the games with all those drunk people in the street, I never been bump... I was very surprise! In Istanbul, I have to walk close to the wall or behind my big husband to get some protection. Nobody will bump into him, I guess they know it will hurt....

But one thing I find very rude and I have to say I saw it many time in Canada as well. Here, they don't give their seats to pregnant woman.

If they do, it must be a very small amount of it. Probably older people. But what I can see, teenagers, woman, young man will not move for you.

Since I'm here, or if you prefer, since it is obvious I'm pregnant, I never have someone offering their seat. So I'm always standing, in front of everybody (they are not even looking somewhere else) and I try to keep my balance and stay in a position not to bad for my back pain.... No one will reacted....

Strange but not typical swiss. This is getting more and more a global attitude around the world.... Selfishness....
That kind of behavior is sad but as far as I have experienced, seen and
heard where I have been, this is common.

However if you in a full train ask if one of the two seats which are both
occupied by a sports bag is free and the answer is "no", or if you in a full
self service restaurant ask the only person (reading a book) at a empty
table for six if one seat is free and the answer is "no" and seeing the
person leaving the table five minutes later, or if you sit in the non-smoking
section in a restaurant and someone walks to your table and dumps a full
stinking ashtray on your table and returns to his table at the smoking
section, or if you hold up the door for people behind you but none (of the
first five) is taking the door etc etc then I would be surprised if it isn't
Zürich. I am not saying this happens all the time and I am not saying that
all in Zürich are like this. But I do not think that all these people doing this
are 1) rebelling teenagers or 2) trying provoke a fight or 3) are mentally
"instable". But when it happens I always need time to recover from being
stunned and speechless and time to figure out if I am dealing with one of
these three alternatives or if it again is something as "normal" and part
of "normal life" as experiencing a late s-bahn for example (which happens
from to time as well).
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Old 02.07.2008, 21:54
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Finally, Switzerland is recognized for the hellhole it really is!

p.s.: seriously: if a person interested in Switzerland stumbles over this thread, they'll think Switzerland's the worst place in the world to live.
No, but they'll get a pretty good idea about the mentality of the locals.

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90% of what was said here is massively exaggerated (the bumping and the staring, for example - I don't even remember when someone bumped into me the last time). None of this is Switzerland-specific.
Well I notice it, as do a great deal of other people. I was Christmas Shopping in Milton Keynes last year. I bumped in to a single person on what was arguably one of the busiest weekends of the year to go shopping. We both turned and apologised.

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Those who really think all that stuff said here is true should perhaps seriously consider moving away. I'm sure it's better somewhere else. NOT.
I am sure that there ARE better places to live and hopefully I will be in one of them in the near future.
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Re: Swiss Manners

Funny, these are all traits I would never think of Swiss, but could sign for any Taiwanese.
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Funny, these are all traits I would never think of Swiss, but could sign for any Taiwanese.
But that's the precise point that a number of people have made. As a Swiss person you are unlikely to notice as this is how you were brought up.
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I don't bump into people and if I accidently do, I always appologise...
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Re: Swiss Manners

Last time i was with my girls parents they recounted a memory of switzerland..as some marched ,it was made clear that they would be returning,at that time there was no stategic advantage.I find it numbing a little that her dad remembers the fear and voices calling you are nothing.. we get you on the way back.
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Last time i was with my girls parents they recounted a memory of switzerland..as some marched ,it was made clear that they would be returning,at that time there was no stategic advantage.I find it numbing a little that her dad remembers the fear and voices calling you are nothing.. we get you on the way back.
Edward, I am a little confused as to what your post pertains to. Does it have something to do with the Switzerland/Turkey match at this years Euro?
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I don't bump into people and if I accidently do, I always appologise...
Interestingly, I don't bump into people either but if I do I don't smile and
apologize anymore. I did that before and too many times didn't experience
that it calmed down the situation in such degree I was used to back home
- on the contrary I sometimes even got some got some *really* hostile
rude replies on my apologies as if I was doing it purpose and it was all my
fault . I actually talked about it with my (swiss) wife and she said it is
probably better not to apologize since an apology can be understood that I
am the only responsible (or clearly more responsible) for the mishap .
And so far she was right, an "oops" far more deescalating than an
"entschuldigung". But, I admit, many say "entschuldigung" to me when
they bump into me, but usually only at the times I finally give up avoiding
and just watch the bump coming when standing still... unbelievable but true
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Re: Swiss Manners

I stopped and, watched people for a few minutes in the centre of Bern and in a couple of minutes, I saw several collisions and no acknowledgement from any of the bumpees. I guess it's enough of a local trait for people not to realise.
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Finally, Switzerland is recognized for the hellhole it really is!

It's almost impossible to live here anymore. So I suggest we all leave.

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ps: seriously: if a person interested in Switzerland stumbles over this thread, they'll think Switzerland's the worst place in the world to live. 90% of what was said here is massively exaggerated (the bumping and the staring, for example - I don't even remember when someone bumped into me the last time). None of this is Switzerland-specific.

Those who really think all that stuff said here is true should perhaps seriously consider moving away. I'm sure it's better somewhere else. NOT.
No need to get so defensive or take the discussion to heart.

This is the complaints corner where people come to complain about things that annoy them and this whole lack of respect/bumping into others thing is most certainly annoying to many here. It certainly was to me.

And telling people that they should leave the country if there's something that bugs them is over the top and I'm afraid, something of a cliche that's been discussed here before too.

People have every right to have a moan about something that bugs them - that's what this subforum is here for.
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Re: Swiss Manners

I absolutely agree with you. Friends of mine are quite capable of galloping through their food, regardless of your eating status and getting up when they've finished. Many of them are highly qualified technically, but as rude as hell in the art of living
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Old 06.07.2008, 00:53
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I absolutely agree with you. Friends of mine are quite capable of galloping through their food, regardless of your eating status and getting up when they've finished. Many of them are highly qualified technically, but as rude as hell in the art of living
Are these Swiss friends or what??
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Old 06.07.2008, 04:35
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Oops, you have met the wrong people. I wish you people who appreciate your food
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Re: Swiss Manners

Speaking from a "Bavarian" living in the UK (and thus having learnt to be polite as Germans sometimes lack this kind of ability also) I really got used to "excuse me" and "sorry". Recently, when on exploration through some places incl Zurich on jobsearch and pre-interview situations, I must say that even I found exactly the same thing. Thank God I am built sturdily and if someone bumps into me they usually draw the shorter straw
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I'd be interested to know what advice the Swiss equivalent of the Highway Code gives for waiting at traffic junctions. Over the past few days I have encountered quite a few drivers (all Swiss obviously) that seem to think that they should only wait as long as they want to before pulling out. It doesn't matter if there is any other traffic on the road, simply adopt your favourite ski lift attitude and get yourself on to the road. The annoying thing is that on at least two occasions there was no car behind me, so simply waiting a few seconds more would give them a clear road to attack. But apparently it's much more fun to push in then it is to wait your turn. W@nkers, the lot of em.
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I'd be interested to know what advice the Swiss equivalent of the Highway Code gives for waiting at traffic junctions. Over the past few days I have encountered quite a few drivers (all Swiss obviously) that seem to think that they should only wait as long as they want to before pulling out. It doesn't matter if there is any other traffic on the road, simply adopt your favourite ski lift attitude and get yourself on to the road. The annoying thing is that on at least two occasions there was no car behind me, so simply waiting a few seconds more would give them a clear road to attack. But apparently it's much more fun to push in then it is to wait your turn. W@nkers, the lot of em.
Don't forget - whenever you see a random person in a car with Swiss plates there's roughly a 20% chance they are a foreigner. You've obviously never driven in Southern Italy... down there traffic rules simply do not exist. Its totally normal to cross a red traffic light, go against a one way road, use the bus lane, stop in the middle of the road, etc. So, Swiss driving seems fairly civilized (also find so compared to most other European countries).
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Re: Swiss Manners

OK, I see your point now. I am getting bumped in constantly when rushing to the train tracks in Zurich mainstation in the morning. Peopel DON'T try to avoid each other and they DON'T say sorry. And here I am back from the super crowded city of Taipei where people have learnt not to bump into each other and am totally annoyed by people bumping into me in Zurich now that you guys have pointed this out....

Well, if you do encounter one who says sorry, it's me...and I am Swiss....

Sorry...
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Re: Swiss Manners

I was only just moaning to my husband (a Swissie who doesn`t mind pushing in the queue at the cinema at which I pray for the ground to open and swallow me). I agree that you cannot impose the norms that you grew up with on people in another country.

HOWEVER what is with the spacial awareness thing and the total lack thereof??? Swiss people just do not have a radar . They cannot tell when someone is there, bending down to grab a tin off a shelf and that is why they step right in front of you and start up a conversation with their buddy who they just ran into next to the tinned tomatoes...That is why when you are riding your bicycle along the street, they will look at you (or continue sending their sms) but not SEE you and then step off the curb. That is why they won`t let you off the train before they try and shove their way on. THEY HONESTLY DON`T KNOW YOU ARE THERE!!! I believe it comes from the separatist mentality of the country .
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Re: Swiss Manners

Mk. 1 Borissette nearly had her legs taken off yesterday by a guy who was so lazy that he decided to ride his motorbike on the pavement so that he didn't have to park the thing to use the cash point. Mrs Boris had just pushed the pushchair out of the post office doors and something made her stop. Just as well as the idiot hared past before slamming on the brakes.
Violence is generally not the answer to anything, but if I'd have been there, it would have made me feel a bit better...

Oh, and Ticino, you mention the 20 % chance of the offenders (all of them?) being foreigners, but it still leaves an 80 % of them being Swiss...
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Don't forget - whenever you see a random person in a car with Swiss plates there's roughly a 20% chance they are a foreigner. You've obviously never driven in Southern Italy... down there traffic rules simply do not exist. Its totally normal to cross a red traffic light, go against a one way road, use the bus lane, stop in the middle of the road, etc. So, Swiss driving seems fairly civilized (also find so compared to most other European countries).
For the love of a god! Why is it that, whenever there is a criticism levelled at this country somebody lays the foreigner card down and expects that to clear everything up nicely. Not only is that so bleeding stupid that it defies description, but it is also (DUH) racist, you arse.

I have driven in Italy and find them single mindedly moronic when it comes to pedestrian crossings. They do not stop for anyone. But what that has to do with complaining about Swiss driving and manners is beyond me.

Swiss driving is passive aggression at its best. They spend their whole lives in a place of false Gruezi and En Guete that they have to vent their anger whenever they are on the roads.
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