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Old 23.01.2009, 10:55
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It's amazing that Switzerland has such a great transport system with so many 'idiots' and 'dumb ****s' in the country. Wonder how they managed that
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Old 23.01.2009, 12:37
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Re: Swiss Manners

I just don't understand that mentality of not moving inward to make room for others. It's just common courtesy. When I get the train, I usually try to sit by the window since I get off at the last stop. Today, when I sat down at a window, the person sitting directly across from me threw daggers at me, I'm sure he was thinking "why would you sit directly across from me when you could sit by the aisle"... The train filled up and everyseat was soon taken, and at least I didn't have to have anyone crawl over me! Sometimes I just don't understand people...
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Old 23.01.2009, 12:40
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Does it happen on trains? I always wonder why I notice it often in trams but much less in trains. Maybe because I don't take the train that often, or because they're rarely crammed when I do.
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Old 23.01.2009, 15:52
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...It's just common courtesy...
Pardon me for stating the obvious here, but I think it's safe to say that no country has a monopoly on 'idiots' and 'dumb ****s' — and 'common courtesy' isn't always as 'common' as we'd like to think it is.
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Old 23.01.2009, 15:57
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Pardon me for stating the obvious here, but I think it's safe to say that no country has a monopoly on 'idiots' and 'dumb ****s' — and 'common courtesy' isn't always as 'common' as we'd like to think it is.
Further to the common courtesy bit, each country / culture has their own definition of courtesy. What I found to be "good manners" often times does not match up with what people over here value.

The older I get, the less cocksure I become that my ways are the right ways. Guess that's about typical though.
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Old 23.01.2009, 16:04
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Re: Swiss Manners

Probably not related to being Swiss, but moreso to being ignorant. I was heading into Bern the morning of the RWC final in 2003 (what a great day ). When we arrived in Bern, there were literally 100s of people waiting to get on the train and were crowded 5-6 deep at the door. It was almost impossible to get off the train and there were some elderly and people with children trying to get out, but being forced back by the sheer numbers of people . I even saw a few scuffles break out. It then transpired that it was the morning of the anti-Iraq war rally and people were heading back to Zurich and beyond. So much for peace protesters, more like ignorant ****ing twats if you ask me. Some were even laughing and joking about it.
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Old 23.01.2009, 16:19
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Texaner you did see my sarcastic smiley didn't you?
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Old 23.01.2009, 16:24
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Texaner you did see my sarcastic smiley didn't you?
Sure. My observation was meant to complement, not counter, your comment.
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Old 23.01.2009, 16:55
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Sure. My observation was meant to complement, not counter, your comment.
Thanks, I actually wasn't quite sure
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It then transpired that it was the morning of the anti-Iraq war rally and people were heading back to Zurich and beyond. So much for peace protesters, more like ignorant ****ing twats if you ask me. Some were even laughing and joking about it.
More evidence for my theory that the more political-minded a person is, the less likely they are to be a normal, decent human being.

I used to live with a bloke who used to bang on and on about workers' rights and equality and the selfish rich and all that, and then would go and make a cup of tea in the kitchenette without offering to make one for anyone else in the room. Selfish tw@.

And he's not the only one. From people mocking a man in a wheelchair on the television earlier this week, to rioters terrifying the poor sods who work in McDonalds, those who really care about politics seem quite happy to lecture us all about 'the people', while not giving much of a stuff about people.

I've seen it again and again, and might even write a monograph about it one day.

That'll put the world to rights.
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Old 23.01.2009, 18:11
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Damn. I've been rumbled...
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No, you're lovely.

It's them other ones that are horrible. Honest.
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Re: Swiss Manners

no manners, the both of you, even if you look like real gentlemen
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Old 23.01.2009, 19:07
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Politically-minded people should be approached with caution. Even more so individuals who choose B&W faces for their avatars. They generally have a hidden agenda and should therefore cause one to be extra vigilant.
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oh no, Texaner, your handsome avatar has disppeared... !!!!!!!

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Triple caution for avatar switcheroos.
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More evidence for my theory that the more political-minded a person is, the less likely they are to be a normal, decent human being.

I used to live with a bloke who used to bang on and on about workers' rights and equality and the selfish rich and all that, and then would go and make a cup of tea in the kitchenette without offering to make one for anyone else in the room. Selfish tw@.

And he's not the only one. From people mocking a man in a wheelchair on the television earlier this week, to rioters terrifying the poor sods who work in McDonalds, those who really care about politics seem quite happy to lecture us all about 'the people', while not giving much of a stuff about people.

I've seen it again and again, and might even write a monograph about it one day.

That'll put the world to rights.

DB - why are you always right?!

Oh, except for the dialect / language thread, of course.......
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Must share my story about my first visit to Switzerland (March 1993).

I was waiting to board a train in Lausanne to take me to the Geneva airport. A woman had about 12 pieces of luggage and had piled them up in front of the door. One by one, she was taking them into the train, putting them near her seat, and then returning. Finally, there was only 1 piece left.

I, as a good, queue-joining American, was patiently waiting behind a gentleman who was "next in line to board" behind this woman. When there was only 1 piece of luggage left, he picked it up and placed it inside the door, so she wouldn't have to descend to get it. He then boarded through the adjacent door.

I, as a stupid American who would never expect what was to happen next to happen, simply stood there, waiting for the woman to take her bag so I could climb on. She arrived back at the door and became furious that someone had touched her bag. She assumed it was me (said stupid American) who was patiently waiting to board. So what did she do? She THREW IT AT MY HEAD, thereby smashing my glasses into my face. Blood everywhere. Me with broken glasses, having to go on to a conference in Berlin. Woman screaming bloody hell at me in French.

Truly unbelievable. To this day, I sincerely regret not grabbing the bag and throwing it over the train.
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Ah, French Ladies are a touchy bunch of women you know


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Must share my story about my first visit to Switzerland (March 1993).

I was waiting to board a train in Lausanne to take me to the Geneva airport. A woman had about 12 pieces of luggage and had piled them up in front of the door. One by one, she was taking them into the train, putting them near her seat, and then returning. Finally, there was only 1 piece left.

I, as a good, queue-joining American, was patiently waiting behind a gentleman who was "next in line to board" behind this woman. When there was only 1 piece of luggage left, he picked it up and placed it inside the door, so she wouldn't have to descend to get it. He then boarded through the adjacent door.

I, as a stupid American who would never expect what was to happen next to happen, simply stood there, waiting for the woman to take her bag so I could climb on. She arrived back at the door and became furious that someone had touched her bag. She assumed it was me (said stupid American) who was patiently waiting to board. So what did she do? She THREW IT AT MY HEAD, thereby smashing my glasses into my face. Blood everywhere. Me with broken glasses, having to go on to a conference in Berlin. Woman screaming bloody hell at me in French.

Truly unbelievable. To this day, I sincerely regret not grabbing the bag and throwing it over the train.
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We've lived in Basel for nearly 8 years now, speak good German, and given I participate with a Fasnacht Clique, consider myself reasonably well "integrated"; and hesitate to tar a whole population with the same brush..but...

Just got back from a long weekend in Yorkshire visiting my parents. Didn't do much apart from allow our little lad to be spoiled by his grandparents while we took off for shopping trips and pub lunches.

My wife - who is Dutch - has been remarking ever since how friendly people there were - and we are talking total strangers here. In a department store we visited, we were both treated in a helpful and courteous manner by the staff - the assistant in the menswear section looked after my belongings while I tried stuff on in the fitting rooms. My wife tried a lot of different things on in the ladieswear department and there was not a single tut, rolling of eyes or other expression of impatience from the assistants.

Then there's people in shops, pubs etc calling you "love"; people striking up conversations in bus queues (and forming an orderly line to board the bus - no pushing in).

At the nearby canal there were a lot of ducks but we had forgotten to bring any bread for our son to feed them; without any prompting a young mother with her little girl offered us a slice from her bag, then a second later an older couple with their grandchildren also offered us some bread.

Then there is the neighbour who brought the newspapers from the paper shop up the street to deliver them because the paper lad couldn't make it due to the heavy snow.

Since living in Switzerland, one has developed something of a hard skin towards people in daily dealings expecting others to behave in a less than courteous manner, and one tends to approach situations involving strangers with one's guard up. It was refreshing to allow the guard down for a few days.

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