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Re: Swiss Manners

I don't remember being taught manners at school. I do remember being taught manners at home, on pain of a kick up the arse, or if my dad was particulaly short tempered at the time, the back of his hand.

Not that I necessarily advocate that approach, but in my experience, if manners aren't taught at home, they aren't learnt.

Do they really teach manners in schools here? Is this because they don't teach them at home?

I'm kidding, of course.

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Do you actually have any children I wonder? I just asked mine whether he was taught to open doors in Kindergarten and he said that he was not. Only when he joined an international school was he taught to walk around corridors on the right side.
I do not have children, but went to school in this country and so know it. And some of my cousins have children and when talking with them hear that what I wrote still takes place. And the "girl" of one cousin is primary school teacher and does teach what I said all the time

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Every time I look at your dreary posts about how the Swiss are taught manners from an early age I have to laugh to myself. One thing that they are definitely taught from an early age is to push to the front of queue's at the ski lifts and it seems that they carry this over in to every day behaviour at adulthood.
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to push to the front of the queues at ski-lifts is what some annoying tourists do , but all ski-instructors and all the parents tell the children to queue and to behave.

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And please spare me (and the rest of the world) from another barrage of perfect etiquette being taught from an early age, or how it's infinitely worse in some other country (therefore justifying bad behaviour here).
In which country is it worse ? In your one ? and since when does bad behaviour in another place justify bad behaviour overhere ?


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I don't remember being taught manners at school. I do remember being taught manners at home,
Do they really teach manners in schools here? Is this because they don't teach them at home?
Here it is taught BOTH at home AND in school.
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It's just the elbows on the streets and station platforms that get me down.

I suppose one just has to get used to such things...
I have seen several people complaining about that on this forum but I have never encountered it myself, but I'd also add that, sadly, the English art of queuing never made it to CH, (I always seem to end up in the slow line at the post office where people who arrived 15 minutes after me, end up being served before me .)

Manners, like etiquette, can vary from one culture/country to another, so what is considered polite or just "normal" in one country can actually be considered rude, in another, eg the pushing to get on the train... I wonder what it's like in the New York subway, London Tube, Tokyo etc...

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I have seen several people complaining about that on this forum but I have never encountered it myself, but I'd also add that, sadly, the English art of queuing never made it to CH, (I always seem to end up in the slow line at the post office where people who arrived 15 minutes after me, end up being served before me .)

Manners, like etiquette, can vary from one culture/country to another, so what is considered polite or just "normal" in one country can actually be considered rude, in another, eg the pushing to get on the train... I wonder what it's like in the New York subway, London Tube, Tokyo etc...

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Now let's be realistic, I only know one country where the queuing is as strong as in Britain and that is Portugal. If you however end up that late in the post office, you do something wrongly Ever been to Paris ? Taking your place in the catch-as-catch-can on major Metro stations ? Or using public transport in the Mediterranean ? I fear you might still be waiting somewhere there

That at the other hand, some people do exactly what parents, teachers and train personnel tell all the time NOT to do (blocking the exit for passengers getting out of trains) is BOTH idiotic and lousy behaviour and most idiotically and completely and absolutely STUPID, and cannot be excused at all by anything.

Just reminds me of an anecdote about CDG. When somebody in the reception to his office complained all idiots should be shot he opened his door and dryly stated an ambitious goal and retreated again.
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I do not have children, but went to school in this country and so know it. And some of my cousins have children and when talking with them hear that what I wrote still takes place. And the "girl" of one cousin is primary school teacher and does teach what I said all the time


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to push to the front of the queues at ski-lifts is what some annoying tourists do , but all ski-instructors and all the parents tell the children to queue and to behave.



In which country is it worse ? In your one ? and since when does bad behaviour in another place justify bad behaviour overhere ?


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My blood pressure is very fine thank you. Your grasp on reality, however, needs a bit of work.
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Here it is taught BOTH at home AND in school.
NO IT ISN'T.

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Old 25.05.2010, 01:23
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to push to the front of the queues at ski-lifts is what some annoying tourists do , but all ski-instructors and all the parents tell the children to queue and to behave.
Sorry, but this one requires a chuckle all on its own.

I have an ex wife. She is Swiss. She took great pride in telling me that this was well known practice amongst the local kids. You, I'm afraid, live in a world where all bad things are done by foreigners and the Swiss would never do such terrible things. You are hilarious.
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Now let's be realistic, I only know one country where the queuing is as strong as in Britain and that is Portugal. Ever been to Paris ? Taking your place in the catch-as-catch-can on major Metro stations ? Or using public transport in the Mediterranean ? I fear you might still be waiting somewhere there


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Sorry, but this one requires a chuckle all on its own.

I have an ex wife. She is Swiss. She took great pride in telling me that this was well known practice amongst the local kids. You, I'm afraid, live in a world where all bad things are done by foreigners and the Swiss would never do such terrible things. You are hilarious.
No, he is very, very lucky. I would love if in the States, I was never surrounded by idiots from my own country doing stupid and annoying things. It would be even better if only foreigners were the bad guys.

Woli must live in the one part of der Schweitz were everyone is well behaved and has perfect manners and only the stupid außlanders are the trouble makers.

Were I live, the locals are the queue jumpers and the english speakers are all trying to stand in line and wearing somewhat bewildered looks on their faces.

Oh, and as regards blood pressure...
Some of us complain about stuff so that we don't explode in an apoplectic burst of outrage and end up screaming in someone's face, like I see happen every now and then around here. It is no wonder why people are so "passive-aggressive," in this country.
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Re: Swiss Manners

queueing (or lack thereof) is ridiculous here in Switzerland

Albeit, I'm comparing to Canada, where people are perhaps on the too-polite side of queueing.

One thing I've learned to accept, is when a new cashier opens up, there is a mad dash from the back of the long queue to be first there. At home, the first position goes to the person furtherest ahead in the long queue. If they choose to stay in their queue, the next person in line gets the opportunity to go to the empty queue. Sounds complicated but through a systematic (maybe imbedded) series of glances and smiles, 'first come frist serve' is always held.

The only issue I had with that system is the "oh no, you first please" show down.
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Woli must live in the one part of der Schweitz were everyone is well behaved and has perfect manners and only the stupid außlanders are the trouble makers.

Were I live, the locals are the queue jumpers and the english speakers are all trying to stand in line and wearing somewhat bewildered looks on their faces.

Oh, and as regards blood pressure...
Some of us complain about stuff so that we don't explode in an apoplectic burst of outrage and end up screaming in someone's face, like I see happen every now and then around here. It is no wonder why people are so "passive-aggressive," in this country.
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Re: Swiss Manners

While I have encountered folks standing in my way when trying to disembark from bus or tram, I have not seen any huge issue with folks failing to queue properly.

Immigration office recently... of course, some will say "but they're foreigners, of course they queue... but (!) there also was a spot for lost and found, folks were queued there just fine.

Grocery stores, np... even the "convenience" area (magazines, cold drinks, etc etc) of my local Coop stores.

Perhaps it is different at other post offices but the couple I've been to here all have numbered tickets you're supposed to take in order to be served... if you didn't take a ticket, that's your own fault. If you don't have such a system at your local office, perhaps it would be good to suggest one.



Anyhow, I think "manners" is a bit of a cultural perception anyhow. Just because you think something is polite doesn't mean someone else does.
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Anyhow, I think "manners" is a bit of a cultural perception anyhow. Just because you think something is polite doesn't mean someone else does.
Exactly.
I find it rather amusing trying to imitate the behaviour & manners of the local people in another country.

Make a game of it and enjoy it.

Trying to find out how to order a coffee and get what you actually had in mind is quite an adventure in itself too.
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Perhaps it is different at other post offices but the couple I've been to here all have numbered tickets you're supposed to take in order to be served... ..
First time I used the Basel main post office, I went straight up to the nearest free counter... it was only afterwards that I spotted the ticket machine.
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Perhaps it is different at other post offices but the couple I've been to here all have numbered tickets you're supposed to take in order to be served... if you didn't take a ticket, that's your own fault. If you don't have such a system at your local office, perhaps it would be good to suggest one.
The problem is then that you can't get served unless you actually take a ticket.
I was told that they couldn't sell me a single stamp unless I took a ticket. There were 4 windows open and no one else in the whole entire place. Why take a number when there is no one else their and it is a waste of paper and energy?

The two people at the window I used were making fun of me, thinking that I couldn't understand any french. I just laughed and smiled and said that it was amazing how idiotic we Americans could be about such things and they stopped laughing and after a bit of a hard swallow, said, "Oui, Monsieur" and "Non, Monsieur."

Now, that did amuse me.

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I don't remember being taught manners at school. I do remember being taught manners at home, on pain of a kick up the arse, or if my dad was particulaly short tempered at the time, the back of his hand.

Not that I necessarily advocate that approach, but in my experience, if manners aren't taught at home, they aren't learnt.

Do they really teach manners in schools here? Is this because they don't teach them at home?

I'm kidding, of course.

DB, you kicked off a biggy here, eh?
Don't you think that boarding school teaches manners as well?
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Mine didn't. It was a progressive school. ( I didn't go to that one, but one similar ).
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Nobody, and I mean no body queues like the Anglo-Saxons and ex English colonies, take for example the middle-east: Syria, who was under French mandate and Jordan, who was under English mandate, the Jordanians queue everywhere and traffic is relatively organised, in Syria it's disorganised and confused...

People don't queue well in Europe, I'm afraid it's one of the things we have to get used to, like saying Bonjour to the checkout lady in the Migros, if you don't do the latter, here, it's considered rude, but if you don't queue, it's not considered rude... cultural differences, that's all.

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Now let's be realistic, I only know one country where the queuing is as strong as in Britain and that is Portugal.
In my opinion I found the queuing in most countries I have been to, to be "normal". The only really bad exceptions I have experienced, were in Switzerland and Germany.
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