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Old 14.01.2011, 15:56
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Alternatively, grab her by the hair and smash her head onto the scales repeatedly, not forgetting to simultaneaously push an inappropriate button on said scale.
Yeah.
The problem with these situations is that one is so taken aback by the Durness that one is rendered temporarily incapable of responding appropriately. It would have been amusing if you had retained the presense of mind to "accidentally" press an incorrect button.

What is the problem with people not saying, "Excuse me but I notice that you have a large number of bags and I only have one, and am in a hurry. Would you mind if I weigh this one bag?". It could be spoken in what ever language is appropriate and would remove the opportunity for offense.

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Yep - I'm sure that will help a lot.

I go back to UK very often and use public transport a lot. It just depends where you are. In London nobody gives up their seat anymore. My daughter commuted into London everyday when heavily pregnant, and it made no difference. If I am in the Midlands- it just depends on the time, and who is on the bus. Sometimes lucky, sometimes not. Perhaps some Brits have lived here or abroad for too long - and have rose tinted glasses about manners 'back home'.

Here in CH I very often see kids and even teenagers volunteering to give up their seat, helping mums with prams, etc. And sometimes not. Not much difference really.
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Old 14.01.2011, 16:06
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I think you may be on to something here, Odile. I spent a few days in Birmingham and Leicester over the holidays and I've got to say, I did not really see the obsessive queueing I had been led to expect from the complaints on here. On buses, yes (then again, only one person at a time can get on the bus) but on train platforms it was all sharp-elbows, every-man-for-himself - no different from Zurich really.

Of course the plural of anecdote is anecdotes etc. but I do wonder.
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Today at the local Migros, only 2 weighing machines were working at the Vegetable section. And there I was, arms laden with vegetables weighing one bag after the other. And of course a 40 something Swiss, leans over me and plonks a bag on the scale the second I pick my bag up, followed by a Excuzi.
WTF! No really, what happened to waiting until the person moves away from the scale. And what the hell is wrong with these women!!
Because I did not put any make up on and my hair is not styled, that I am no less than her Highness. If I were to mimic her behavior,I would immediately be labeled the 'bloody foreigner'.
I am so fed up of being treated like a 3rd rate citizen.......so FED UP!!
Errr... it never crossed your mind to see if there was someone waiting with just one thing while you were busy weighing your bag after bag? Especially since, as you say, there were only a couple of scales working? Just askin?

I'll often let people in ahead of me at the cashier if they have a tiny basket to my huge trolley of stuff. Same often happens to me in reverse. Maybe we're all just a bit nicer down here in Suisse Romande.
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Old 14.01.2011, 17:58
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I am so fed up of being treated like a 3rd rate citizen.......so FED UP!!
don't exaggerate - I would say you're 2nd rate at least....
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Re: Swiss Manners

I realised something since a few months.

I heard so often people complaining about the ones not letting them get out of the bus / tram before to try to come in. Most of this was a Zurich thing.

Sadly, I realise more and more people are doing this in Basel too. It wasn't like that just a year ago...

When the tram arrives at the SBB tram station, I have to push my way out!
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Old 14.01.2011, 18:15
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Errr... it never crossed your mind to see if there was someone waiting with just one thing while you were busy weighing your bag after bag? Especially since, as you say, there were only a couple of scales working? Just askin?
That does not really excuse cutting straight in front of anyone without asking first. If you ask, you get everything here and with a smile I am sure OP would let her, too. Arrogance is a pain, though. There are a bunch of people I let ahead of me if I have the time, but sometimes I don't and I have waited long enough, too...Of course it is logical that somebody saw the opportunity to jump ahead of OP, but is it really the way things should be done? To assume everyone who's got a giant load of veggies is a bored housewife with a ton of time to kill and her arms can hold all of it a lot longer so people just cut in front is silly. Two scales working give no excuse to her Highness to step over anyone.
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That does not really excuse cutting straight in front of anyone without asking first. If you ask, you get everything here and with a smile I am sure OP would let her, too. Arrogance is a pain, though. There are a bunch of people I let ahead of me if I have the time, but sometimes I don't and I have waited long enough, too...Of course it is logical that somebody saw the opportunity to jump ahead of OP, but is it really the way things should be done? To assume everyone who's got a giant load of veggies is a bored housewife with a ton of time to kill and her arms can hold all of it a lot longer so people just cut in front is silly. Two scales working give no excuse to her Highness to step over anyone.
I agree, the 'I'll be really, really rude in order to teach this person why they should be friendly and do me a favour' strategy does seem a little counter-intuitive.
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Old 14.01.2011, 18:27
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I agree, the 'I'll be really, really rude in order to teach this person why they should be friendly and do me a favour' strategy does seem a little counter-intuitive.
I think you just kinda summed up the prevailing mentality (although I do know people who are so not like this, sure). What we see as crankiness is in fact a disciplining maneuvre...
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That does not really excuse cutting straight in front of anyone without asking first. If you ask, you get everything here and with a smile I am sure OP would let her, too. Arrogance is a pain, though. There are a bunch of people I let ahead of me if I have the time, but sometimes I don't and I have waited long enough, too...Of course it is logical that somebody saw the opportunity to jump ahead of OP, but is it really the way things should be done? To assume everyone who's got a giant load of veggies is a bored housewife with a ton of time to kill and her arms can hold all of it a lot longer so people just cut in front is silly. Two scales working give no excuse to her Highness to step over anyone.
Yeah, who knows what went down MC, perhaps the woman was just a rude cow. We always get just half the story on here and it's always outraged. I just know I've stood behind clueless people (all over the world ), taking their own sweet time, oblivious to the world around them. The hausfrau may have gone home and complained about the bimbo who refused to acknowledge her huffing and puffing and foot tapping to let her weigh her two little carrots. And everyone around the kitchen table is telling her how she should have given her a sharp elbow to the ribs rather than saying "excuse me". Humanity, we're a funny lot.

In the interest of fairness on this thread, two cars and a bus stopped to let me turn in front of them today when I was waiting at a corner. I gave them all a nice wave and smile.
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I realised something since a few months.

I heard so often people complaining about the ones not letting them get out of the bus / tram before to try to come in. Most of this was a Zurich thing.

Sadly, I realise more and more people are doing this in Basel too. It wasn't like that just a year ago...

When the tram arrives at the SBB tram station, I have to push my way out!
I was at a party full of Swiss people on the weekend, and must say several were complaining about the same things. And one woman described a time when she was standing (no one offered a seat) on a bus when she was 8.5 months pregnant, and a guy kept elbowing her in her belly. She asked him to stop, he wanted to know why he should , she indicated her baby bump, and his response was 'so what?'

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In the interest of fairness on this thread, two cars and a bus stopped to let me turn in front of them today when I was waiting at a corner. I gave them all a nice wave and smile.
Because they saw you wait politely and patiently, I am sure. That's the thing. You can't really force people for favors, no matter what logic you could see in you cutting in front of them. Just coz one has two carrots does not make him in a bigger hurry than the one that is already weighing things. The general impatient folks will cut in front of anybody, for whatever reasons..
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I was at a party full of Swiss people on the weekend, and must say several were complaining about the same things. And one woman described a time when she was standing (no one offered a seat) on a bus when she was 8.5 months pregnant, and a guy kept elbowing her in her belly. She asked him to stop, he wanted to know he should , she indicated her baby bump, and his response was 'so what?'
Yeah. I think he could try to elbow me once. I think people put up with too much here, that's what gives the offenders too much room. You get elbowed to your pregnant belly and then you have to explain yourself? Uhmmmmm...Let me think. Nope.
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I was at a party full of Swiss people on the weekend, and must say several were complaining about the same things. And one woman described a time when she was standing (no one offered a seat) on a bus when she was 8.5 months pregnant, and a guy kept elbowing her in her belly. She asked him to stop, he wanted to know why he should , she indicated her baby bump, and his response was 'so what?'
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Yeah. I think he could try to elbow me once. I think people put up with too much here, that's what gives the offenders too much room. You get elbowed to your pregnant belly and then you have to explain yourself? Uhmmmmm...Let me think. Nope.
I am not the kind to take things in and keep it for myself. I would have beat the guy up with my heavy belly! Joke aside (or not) I speak my mind and I do it in french or english. I don't care if they just speak swiss-dutch because I know that they understand me anyway!

I was used to keep stuff inside and I realised it made my life miserable. I was going home thinking and re-thinking of what I could have said.... which is was worst than saying it straight away. I now say it and put people back to their place. It feels GOOOOOOD!
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90% of the time, the Swiss I encounter are polite, courteous, helpful - etc etc.

However, when it comes to walking along the street in broad daylight, respecting personal space, their ideas of etiquette seem to be a little bit different from they ones I have been raised with.

Today walking along Steinenvorstadt in Basel and aroudn a couple of shops I experienced about half a dozen people either bump into me - or nearly bump into - all because they weren't looking where they were going (e.g. texting on mobile, talking to friends etc etc). On none of these occasions was an apology forthcoming - except for the woman who swung out of the Migros Food Court with a pram and caught me with the wheel while I was standing at the service window on the street.

Then I was in the Coop City on Marktplatz trying to find a jelly mould in the kitchen section - so was taking my time perusing the shelves. This woman to the right of me decided she wanted something which was on the shelf I was looking at but about a foot to the left. Instead of going around me (the aisles are wide enough) she decided to reach across me. I gave this woman a hard stare (Paddington would be proud) and she looked (white??)sheepishly back at me - so she knew she was in the wrong.

The SVP supporters and their chums all go on about how foreigners in Switzerland should try to emulate the Swiss and integrate. How much will I have to lower my standards to achieve this I wonder?

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Differs from country to country. In the UK, people apologize if you bump into them. The whole day is nothing but 'sorry' 'sorry' 'sorry' but it's become a reflex. I find it challenging, as no one ever says what they think or what the want. They just dance around the topic and expect you to figure out what they mean. It's all just 'perhaps you might consider, if you have a moment, sorry, removing your fork from my hand, if it isn't tooo much trouble...'
We have a couple of Brits where I work. Very pleasant people, but you can never figure out WTH they want.

C'est la vie...
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Today at the local Migros, only 2 weighing machines were working at the Vegetable section. And there I was, arms laden with vegetables weighing one bag after the other. And of course a 40 something Swiss, leans over me and plonks a bag on the scale the second I pick my bag up, followed by a Excuzi.
WTF! No really, what happened to waiting until the person moves away from the scale. And what the hell is wrong with these women!!
Because I did not put any make up on and my hair is not styled, that I am no less than her Highness. If I were to mimic her behavior,I would immediately be labeled the 'bloody foreigner'.
I am so fed up of being treated like a 3rd rate citizen.......so FED UP!!
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If she said 'excuzi' she may well not be Swiss anyway Anyway, I am a very friendly Swiss, so if I had loads of bags to weigh one by one, and I saw another woman behind me with 1 bag, I'd just say 'would you like to weigh yours as you've only got one' with a big smile. She would have smiled back and say 'grazie' or whatever - and I would be happy to have been helpful, even if it lost me a few seconds. Sorted.
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Sometimes it does happened that you have a lot on your mind and forget about the world around you to realise that someone is waiting behind you.

And honestly, I don't see it often to have someone who is telling me to pass in front of them because I have just a few items in my hands. They don't care.
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Well I do it all the time. And it's happened to me the other way too. Sure I am not the only one. And people are always so polite 'are you sure? Thank you so much, etc.'. Little things, a smile, makes the world a nicer place.
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