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I just hate stereotyping - but yes, there is perhaps a difference. A big difference between rural and city too (as in most countries, including the UK - compare like for like. Can't compare live in a small Devon or Yorkshire town and Zurich or London). I shop in a small town, and most people are really friendly, honest. Same in our small market town in UK actually.
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Old 14.01.2011, 22:29
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I just hate stereotyping - but yes, there is perhaps a difference. A big difference between rural and city too (as in most countries, including the UK - compare like for like. Can't compare live in a small Devon or Yorkshire town and Zurich or London). I shop in a small town, and most people are really friendly, honest. Same in our small market town in UK actually.
I was just sending you a compliment here...
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Right I've been here only one month but absolutely love Zurich so far. One issue I have, which really isn't that big a deal, is the fact that Swiss people love to stare. It absolutely creeped me out my first couple of weeks but I'm coming around to it and staring back etc. But in fairness its not that big a deal. From what I¨ve seen so far the Swiss are actually quite friendly, in their own unique way, so no complaints from me.
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Old 20.05.2011, 22:07
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Right I've been here only one month but absolutely love Zurich so far. One issue I have, which really isn't that big a deal, is the fact that Swiss people love to stare. It absolutely creeped me out my first couple of weeks but I'm coming around to it and staring back etc. But in fairness its not that big a deal. From what I¨ve seen so far the Swiss are actually quite friendly, in their own unique way, so no complaints from me.
...and you don't think that it has slightly something to do with the "honeymoon phase"?

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Yeah you're probably right chief. I'll just get my game face on from now on and let them know whats what lol!
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Yeah you're probably right chief. I'll just get my game face on from now on and let them know whats what lol!
Ehmm, game faces are expensive in Switzerland and depending on the canton that you're living are only allowed to be worn on Tuesdays from 6-8pm and every other Wednesday from 12:30-1:30pm (except on public holidays)...oh and make sure you buy one with a SCGF tag (Swiss certified game face)..because they're locally produced and therefore better quality. Other than that, I like your attitude.
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Yer not the only one LIB, as far as I'm concerned I'd advise the OP to make his own observations and not be swayed by the jaded moans of the majority of the whiny EFers.
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Old 21.05.2011, 03:18
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Come on, Zürich is great in summer, it doesn't take much for people who come here to love it! The French seem to notice the lack of aggression and the fact that public space truly is public the most, Americans are really (pleasantly) surprised how public drinking is handled here, no big issue, everyone's just enjoying him/herself. I'm not a big fan of the place the rest of the year but I really have no complaints now, especially after coming back from China! :-)
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yeah, I have noticed that people aren't too polite in Switzerland too. But I have also noticed a lot of racist things too! Half the stuff they show on those tiny plates they can show as "billboards" are filled with racist comments. One I saw about sheep, and the white sheep keeping/kicking out the black sheep. I guess it had to do with keeping out foreigners or keeping out people who don't belong?? idk. And I've noticed a lot of Jim Crow items around town too. IDK if it was just in Luzern, but there was that halloween type festival, where stores/people dress like its halloween for a week or w/e, and in a few stores I saw black mannequins overdressed with African american looking outfits, the mannequins having every black stereotype. With the huge lips, crazy hair, ...to the big back ends. And at many antique stores I saw many black slave statues that imitate Jim Crow perfectly. Theres a Jim Crow museum in america and I was tempted to take pictures of all these things, but never had a camera handy. Anyway, do the Swiss not acknowledge how offensive their advertising/products can be??? How can they not notice!
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yeah, I have noticed that people aren't too polite in Switzerland too. But I have also noticed a lot of racist things too! Half the stuff they show on those tiny plates they can show as "billboards" are filled with racist comments. One I saw about sheep, and the white sheep keeping/kicking out the black sheep. I guess it had to do with keeping out foreigners or keeping out people who don't belong?? idk. And I've noticed a lot of Jim Crow items around town too. IDK if it was just in Luzern, but there was that halloween type festival, where stores/people dress like its halloween for a week or w/e, and in a few stores I saw black mannequins overdressed with African american looking outfits, the mannequins having every black stereotype. With the huge lips, crazy hair, ...to the big back ends. And at many antique stores I saw many black slave statues that imitate Jim Crow perfectly. Theres a Jim Crow museum in america and I was tempted to take pictures of all these things, but never had a camera handy. Anyway, do the Swiss not acknowledge how offensive their advertising/products can be??? How can they not notice!
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Old 21.05.2011, 09:06
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No, I 100% disagree. You can't tell an entire society they lack manners because they were raised in a different culture of what manners are. I get stared at a lot here, much more so than in English speaking countries but I wouldn't say the Swiss lack manners. I'm just guessing they weren't told repeatedly as children "It's not polite to stare"
Ya I've been trying to figure out if it's my tattoos... but even when they're covered, people still stare. So I thought maybe it is my clothes. But then I realized maybe I'm just a hawtie.

But then I realized they aren't smiling when they stare.

*sigh*
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yeah, I have noticed that people aren't too polite in Switzerland too. But I have also noticed a lot of racist things too! Half the stuff they show on those tiny plates they can show as "billboards" are filled with racist comments. One I saw about sheep, and the white sheep keeping/kicking out the black sheep. I guess it had to do with keeping out foreigners or keeping out people who don't belong?? !
The billboards with the sheeps is the propaganda of one of the political parties, which clearly is THE xenophobe-dominated one.
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a good day for Swiss manners would be, when 10% of the people whom I'll deal with would say "Hello" at the beginning and "Thank you" or "Good Bye" at the end.
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Ya I've been trying to figure out if it's my tattoos... but even when they're covered, people still stare. (...) But then I realized they aren't smiling when they stare. *sigh*
General answer, nothing against you, don't worry:

The foreigner: OMG, People are so rude here, they stare at you all the time, it's so invasive and awkward, I feel so unwell being suspected all the time like that

The Swiss: That is typical, foreigners don't look people in the eyes, they flee our openness by looking at their feet all the time, they look like they have something to hide.

You are not my students, so you don't have to write an essay, but take a minute to have a look at the difficulties to put oneself in other people's shoes across of culture and language.

Or don't. I never force people to do anything.
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a good day for Swiss manners would be, when 10% of the people whom I'll deal with would say "Hello" at the beginning and "Thank you" or "Good Bye" at the end.
I don't know what people you deal with (drug-smugglers ? ) but most people here and Bernese people absolutely in particular greet right at the beginning (Grüezi, Hallo, Morge, Tschau, etc), and in case of the Bernese even a bit extensively. And most people DO say GoodBye in the various available forms, like "Adieu" "Widerseh" "Widerluege" "Tschau" "En schöne" "Tschüss" . To say thank you also is quite usual thing with expressions like "Tanke" "Merci" "Vile Dank" .
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To say thank you also is quite usual thing with expressions like "Tanke" "Merci" "Vile Dank" .
at the gas station?
I think most require you to refuel your car yourself these days.
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Old 22.05.2011, 04:13
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at the gas station?
I think most require you to refuel your car yourself these days.
There still are cashiers desks and shops at petrol stations. And in those petrol station shops (selling food and other articles) people in charge usually are polite and trying to give an excellent service.
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I don't know what people you deal with (drug-smugglers ? ) but most people here and Bernese people absolutely in particular greet right at the beginning (Grüezi, Hallo, Morge, Tschau, etc), and in case of the Bernese even a bit extensively. And most people DO say GoodBye in the various available forms, like "Adieu" "Widerseh" "Widerluege" "Tschau" "En schöne" "Tschüss" . To say thank you also is quite usual thing with expressions like "Tanke" "Merci" "Vile Dank" .
if you have four hours to spare and experience Swiss manners up close and personal, i'll be glad to show you I am willing to put a wager on this even, if you're willing to do the same.
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There is nothing wrong with Swiss manners. Why are photos of your apartment in your album? I hope it is not for showing off as we consider showing off as bad manners.
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There is nothing wrong with Swiss manners. Why are photos of your apartment in your album? I hope it is not for showing off as we consider showing off as bad manners.
I think every modern society, including Switzerland, is suffering a crisis in manners particularly in cities. Thanks to all our modern conveniences, and the fact that we are permanently wired to our own network (phone, internet, mp3 players) we no longer feel we need to deal with strangers, i.e. people whom we feel bring no added value to our lives.

I feel it's worse here, perhaps because I come from a city of immigrants who all have some memory of what it was like to be new (to call someone a foreigner is actually rude) and so people are mindful of their behaviour towards others, whereas here there's a kind of struggle between 'us' the Swiss and 'them' the foreigners, so nobody gives anybody respect, because everyone is waiting for the other to show it first.

Although I don't know where having my feet stepped on every single day fits in, as I don't believe I've ever done that to anyone, and I'm used to being in much bigger crowds!
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