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Old 06.07.2011, 15:27
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And still we Swiss don't know about the wonders of queing. There have to be physical borders to get people on line. Same on escalators, wonder how many Swiss where killed using London Tubes.
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:29
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Yeah. I would have a word for those but it is very un lady like
oh go on, I won't tell anybody you uttered it, honest
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:40
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I think you've nailed it! Most of the time (I said most!) they've no intention of actually running into you, but it seems that passing three inches away - even on an otherwise empty train platform - is just as good as three feet away.

I've been here too long now, when I go back to the US I start to wonder why people are avoiding me. I mean, these people are crossing clear to the other side of the sidewalk when they approach me. After three or four such encounters in a row, I start checking my reflection in shop windows. Is my shirt inside out? Do I smell?

Then I catch a glimpse of the slightly panicky can't-this-crazy-lady-SEE-me-has-she-no-eyes-in-her-head?* expression on some poor guy's face, and realize exactly what the problem is... he's walking American, I'm walking Swiss. Simple as that.

*Of course I wasn't going to run into the guy, was aiming six inches to his left, but try telling him that!
Well, yes, and no...
As a social experiment at the train station (I was disembarking) I decided to NOT move at the last second to see what would happen (and these were people moving into my space as I was traveling in a straight line). I took out three people. It was kinda fun.

Some people are not aiming for you, true, they are just passing close (I lived in Rome for a couple of years so I'm not unacquainted with this). Others are headed towards you with their fight face on--like some weird challenge.
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Re: Swiss Manners

Starts with D like douchebags...

I never understood the allergy to lining up here. Why? The democracy, egalitarianism, etc. Not logical.
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Starts with D like douchebags...

I never understood the allergy to lining up here. Why? The democracy, egalitarianism, etc. Not logical.
I was really impressed when I first got to London in the 80s that there was some kind of a system that works and everybody was lining up without being told to do so.
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:12
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I was really impressed when I first got to London in the 80s that there was some kind of a system that works and everybody was lining up without being told to do so.
Yeah. We used to be able to buy bananas a few rare times a year and you waited for hours, cutting in front of somebody would leave you decapitated... Book lines once a month were ok, readers didn't resort to fist fights, usually.

What I don't get is here there are unspoken systems too, honor systems, and people stick to it, no biggie. But with shops or services? We have a tiny tiny post office and they have to have a ticket system, so does Swisscom, where you rarely wait.

Is that related to not very userfriendly shop hours? Or not much choice in shops? Weird customer service? I know these things are improving, but still...Maybe shop wenches should organize the lines, like abroad. Not serving people who cut in fron of you.
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I was really impressed when I first got to London in the 80s that there was some kind of a system that works and everybody was lining up without being told to do so.
Those were the good old days.
I'm afraid it doesn't happen any more. It's every man for himself now, and the devil take the hindmost
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:19
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...Maybe shop wenches should organize the lines, like abroad. Not serving people who cut in fron of you.
This is what I do, instead of having a go at the cutter-in I have a go at the Shop Hand if they serve the cutter-in.
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I was really impressed when I first got to London in the 80s that there was some kind of a system that works and everybody was lining up without being told to do so.
I can certify you that it was not the case November 28th 2010. I am ready to testify under oath.
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:33
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This is what I do, instead of having a go at the cutter-in I have a go at the Shop Hand if they serve the cutter-in.
I feel bad to stress them even more with such level of multitasking
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:36
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Yeah. We used to be able to buy bananas a few rare times a year and you waited for hours, cutting in front of somebody would leave you decapitated... .
Is that where the phrase, "to go bananas" comes from.
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:44
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Those were the good old days.
I'm afraid it doesn't happen any more. It's every man for himself now, and the devil take the hindmost
I beg to differ. We were in Oxford in March and had to get the bus. My kids were asking why everyone was queueing up .
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Old 06.07.2011, 16:45
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I feel bad to stress them even more with such level of multitasking
In Switzerland you also learn to hone your passive-aggressive skills to a bleeding edge.

Burning holes with eyes and sighs soaked in acid accompanied by below-par gesticulations can do the trick.
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I beg to differ. We were in Oxford in March and had to get the bus. My kids were asking why everyone was queueing up .
That's because they were all tourists
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Starts with D like douchebags...

I never understood the allergy to lining up here. Why? The democracy, egalitarianism, etc. Not logical.
Simple. There is no rule telling on to do it.
People who stand in line when there is no line are weak.

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Well, yes, and no...
As a social experiment at the train station (I was disembarking) I decided to NOT move at the last second to see what would happen (and these were people moving into my space as I was traveling in a straight line). I took out three people. It was kinda fun.

Some people are not aiming for you, true, they are just passing close (I lived in Rome for a couple of years so I'm not unacquainted with this). Others are headed towards you with their fight face on--like some weird challenge.
If I can't get them to make eye contact first then I just slow down and eventually stare them into stopping or going around me. If that doesn't work I just raise my arm as if to scratch my face and it just conveniently places my elbow right about at chest height.

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This is what I do, instead of having a go at the cutter-in I have a go at the Shop Hand if they serve the cutter-in.
I have called shop attendants on this before. If you actually call people on it they will respond. For some reason everyone pretends to not understand this particular social grace but the truth is that they do and you can shame them into conforming. Just don't expect them to be happy if you out Swiss them.
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Though I do like an orderly queue, I much prefer a ticketting system.

It means I can browse, loiter or pace at will. Hell, if the number's high enough I can go for a beer.

Sometimes though, if it's busy, there's a queue at the ticket machine. It's the stuff of nightmares, I tell you.
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you can shame them into conforming.
As long as I can shame them just enough to queue jump behind me then I'm happy.
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Is that where the phrase, "to go bananas" comes from.
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That's because they were all tourists
Oh, if only it were true. But there was no mistaking the Arxford accent.
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