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Old 06.07.2011, 22:58
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And still we Swiss don't know about the wonders of queing. There have to be physical borders to get people on line. Same on escalators, wonder how many Swiss where killed using London Tubes.
Qeuing on the tube ? On the buses yes, but on the tube rather less. Interesting however is how much the London idea of proceeding on the escalators (standing on the right, walking ahead on the left) over the decades was taken over here. When I went to London in 1971 + 72 I learnt to like the idea which then was NOT in use anywhere overhere.
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Old 16.07.2011, 15:49
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Looks like it's spreading.
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Old 16.07.2011, 15:57
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I love the Daily Mail. Gripping read, sensationalist stories....last four paragraphs showing that neither party involved believes it's a story at all and they were both long over it before the print deadline.
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Re: Swiss Manners

As a Swiss-Australian, I have to say, Swiss manners are not what they used to be...

Here in OZ poeple apologise and smile, say "sorry" if they want to go past me in the supermarket etc. They are polite, most of them.

Also they do not stare at me, I feel free here, I do not feel I need to meet a certain "social standard".

I find the language makes a difference too, English sounds really professional and polite whereas Swiss German can sound so harsh and rude.

Not sure what you guys think... But every time I come back to Switzerland for a holiday, I find the place get more crowded and poeple more stressed and grumpy.

Nevertheless I work harder in Australia and earn less, ha ha. But Aussies don't complain so much about work etc. They chill out after work. Don't talk about work, politics and so on. They switch off! Again, it would not apply to everyone, but I have noticed all this after 5 years in Australia.

Having said all that I still love Switzerland
I love it for its beauty and will move back next year, for a few months at least.
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Old 18.07.2011, 07:00
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And yet both parties came to an understanding and there were apologies offered and accepted. My impression is that last part would happen very rarely in CH.
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Old 18.07.2011, 10:29
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And yet both parties came to an understanding and there were apologies offered and accepted. My impression is that last part would happen very rarely in CH.
Not really. The rough lady was FORCED by her party leader into apologizing and her apology was accepted by the victim.

Sure, in Switzerland, police would have become active, resulting in a heavy fine for the fine lady
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Old 18.07.2011, 10:40
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her apology was accepted by the victim.
I wonder what made the journalist accept the apology... threats to loose some kind of accreditation? Pure altruism? I really don't know.
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Old 18.07.2011, 11:15
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I wonder what made the journalist accept the apology... threats to loose some kind of accreditation? Pure altruism? I really don't know.
As a political journalist he needs a useful relationship with the political party and not least to the political leaders, like the one who forced the lady to DO the apology. So that it was simply applied realism.
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Old 18.07.2011, 16:21
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Not really. The rough lady was FORCED by her party leader into apologizing and her apology was accepted by the victim.

Sure, in Switzerland, police would have become active, resulting in a heavy fine for the fine lady
Which proves my point. It's not really a sincere apology if there are fines involved. If anything more than peer pressure is involved then the motive is simply to avoid being in trouble or committing an infraction of the rules. This still wouldn't happen in this way in CH.
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Old 18.07.2011, 16:47
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... I find the place get more crowded and poeple more stressed and grumpy.
I would consider myself reasonably polite and patient (but then everyone does, don't they?) and am finding that the increasing amount of people in the small space is grinding on me. Especially those people who are totally unaware of their surroundings or appropriate behaviour within a setting. ALL nationalities have their particular way of making being in public that little bit less pleasant, mix 'em all up and you start fantasising about things that are highly illegal and will take a lot of cleaning up. So between the Swiss person who gets into the tram and stops dead, the non-descript-but-too-blinged-up-to-be-Swiss woman who loudly chews her gum open-mouthed to be heard three seats away, the southern European male who thinks deodorant is for wimps and the group of African ladies all talking so loudly at the same time that your ears ring, it really makes you want to take the bike to work.

But then you'd be at the merci of crazy motorists, the Swiss who hate all cyclists and try to scare us on purpose, the German businessmen who are on their phone and in a rush or the various tourists who are so busy looking for their way that you are invisible...

So I guess the impoliteness in Zurich is an international problem and stems from "too many people, not enough room, not yet used to adapting your behaviour to the conundrum".
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Old 18.07.2011, 16:51
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Re: Swiss Manners

you forgot the guitar playing mexican...
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you forgot the guitar playing mexican...
They seem to have been crouded out by the begging Roma...
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Old 18.07.2011, 17:08
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Which proves my point. It's not really a sincere apology if there are fines involved. If anything more than peer pressure is involved then the motive is simply to avoid being in trouble or committing an infraction of the rules. This still wouldn't happen in this way in CH.
No, I agree. Police would move in. The lady would have got a fine of CHF 100.-- plus a bill of CHF 220.-- for police bureaucracy and would be grumpy about it for the rest of her life. The victim would have been brought to the Polizeiposten to assist with a lengthy report. And it would have been discussed in the media for weeks. The local Cantonal parliament would have issued a declaration that "action" is needed. Prof Dr Mörgeli would issue a statement that such things are the results when leftist politicians get too many rights.
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Old 18.07.2011, 17:19
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you forgot the guitar playing mexican...
I always thought they were from Ecuador, or is that just the ones in Ticino?

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Old 18.07.2011, 18:28
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I was once literally shoved by a man in a suit with a roller suitcase while strolling the streets of Bern in the crowded shopping area. He was behind me (I didn't even see him coming) and he actually used his hand to push me out of his way! Guess he was late for his train.
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Old 20.07.2011, 05:40
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No, I agree. Police would move in. The lady would have got a fine of CHF 100.-- plus a bill of CHF 220.-- for police bureaucracy and would be grumpy about it for the rest of her life. The victim would have been brought to the Polizeiposten to assist with a lengthy report. And it would have been discussed in the media for weeks. The local Cantonal parliament would have issued a declaration that "action" is needed. Prof Dr Mörgeli would issue a statement that such things are the results when leftist politicians get too many rights.
I forgot about the administrative charge.

OTOH, the whole incident would render both people unable to do their jobs anymore. Where as the English system allows them to both have their opinion and take responsibility for the behaviour that results from that opinion and then get on with their lives, relatively unscathed.
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...the English system allows them to both have their opinion and take responsibility for the behaviour...and then get on with their lives...
Good grief — they have LIVES??!!
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Old 20.07.2011, 05:53
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Good grief — they have LIVES??!!
Maybe I really meant "business".
Lives may be to much wishful thinking.
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Certainly, cultures differ, however, I found Swiss manners in general excellent. Nothing compared to some other states...
Trying to get those ten posts in, eh?
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The Swiss are wonderful and cheerful, everything is "Tip Top". You have to initiate the conversation, but then it goes really well!!!
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