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Old 18.07.2008, 01:05
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Absolutely agree. I find it scary that anyone can look up your car registration details. Well luckily I'm not a woman and don't have to worry about stalkers following me around, (but I still find it disturbing. Even more disturbing is when you mention this to Swiss and they find it a necessary service. Well it is necessary when you want to start harrassing your neighbour because he has parked in front of your house.)

(I also believe that a silent listing in the phone book should be a right, and shouldn't require justification or additional fees).

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Old 18.07.2008, 12:07
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...... , but I fail to see how the cantonal indices support car theft? You can't look up rich people and the result doesn't state make and mode of the car.
It's the other way around : If someone with bad intentions spots a very exclusive car, he could potentially look up on one of the cantonal indices its owner and address. This is a known problem in The Netherlands (according to this article - sorry in Dutch only), but probably in Switzerland this crime does not exist (yet).
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In Zurich you dont need to give any reason to delist your license plate. Just download the form named "Gesuch um Sperrung der Halterdaten im eAutoindex" at

http://www.autoindex.zh.ch/internet/.../de/forms.html

send it in to the SVA and youre done.

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Re: Ironies of Data Protection

Here is an interesting link regarding privacy:
http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597

Switzerland get a bad ranking when it comes to privacy, but then again most countries do as well. Seems like the whole world is becoming big brother. Here are some specific negative points for Switzerland from the article, has anyone experiences any of these problems?

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# Passports only have digital facial images, though there are plans to store biometric data on central database, though this proposal was criticised by the federal commissioner
# Swiss banking law protects privacy of banking records, though international pressure is reducing this protection
# Joined Schengen agreement in 2005, and now all Swiss citizens have to carry id
# New policy plans for police and security services' databases; and plans for increased powers of interception of communications
# Increased border surveillance for European football championships
# Six month retention law for telecommunications
# Federal court has ruled that individuals must be notified after surveillance of communications
# 2007 expanded surveillance powers of secret services, but only as a last resort, but without suspecting of criminal activity
# Expanded collection of DNA since 2005
# Biometrics in place for access to sports facilities, but commissioner has ensured that there are no central databases and alternative solutions are available for those who oppose biometrics
# Plans to store medical information on new health insurance cards, but currently delayed
# Foreigners data stored on central register, and plans in place to include biometric data
# Expanded use of CCTV, and now automatic care plate recognition, and plans for these systems to be adapted to control speeding
# Air force using unmanned aerial vehicles, strengthening co-operation with the police, and is now used to monitor celebrations and protests
# First country to use facial recognition at border controls
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Switzerland has some of the strictest data protection laws in the world.

What on earth makes you think that? Just curious?

I have never lived or worked in a country where my data is so publically and easily available without my permission..!!
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Old 23.07.2008, 09:06
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# Joined Schengen agreement in 2005, and now all Swiss citizens have to carry id
Not correct and actually a discussed point in the Swiss Schengen debate. The advocates of Schengen membership emphasized that there will be no law to carry ID.
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Switzerland has some of the strictest data protection laws in the world. But IMHO it is nearly impossible to enjoy privacy and/or anonymity here because of rather questionable logic. For example:
  • Name MUST be on the letter box. No address numbers.
  • You are easily found by name or number in the phonebook unless you apply for it to be removed.
  • In this canton at least (SG) ANYONE can find out the name and address of a cars owner simply using the car registration number in a SMS or internet enquiry. You need a SUITABLE REASON to supress your rego details from such enquiries. Shouldn't the ENQUIRER require the suitable reason?
Such openess was probably OK 20 years ago, but with the rise in crime (especially electronic) its no longer safe.

My $0.02 worth.
I totally agree with you. People's data need to be protected and not exposed to every "Tom, Dick and Harry" ("Urs, Beat and Hans-Peter",Swiss version) We need to protect ourselves from identity theft and all the evils of internet crimes and frauds. I wonder what the Swiss government is doing about identity theft if all these information can openly be obtained.
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Re: Ironies of Data Protection

Banking industry feeling the pressure about secrecy / data protection. Comments from Banking Industry insiders ?



http://www.cnbc.com/id/28171003


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http://www.cnbc.com/id/28171003
Let's see...
- Money would flood out of Switzerland to less reputable parts.
Germany would not see a tax take increase nor repatriation of funds.

- IT jobs would go East.
It's banking secrecy that means bums on seats here

- US arrogance anyway and feels it can interfere where is wants. SWIFT anyone.
Don't forget it's the only 1st world country that taxes non-residents.

- Germany could reduce it's tax burden and lure tax payers back.
Remember France and Germany used to complain about the UK and Ireland having low taxes a decade ago

- It's easier to complain about someone else than putting your own house in order.

The only benefit would be to make the socialists and the jealous happy.
It won't increase anyone's wealth.

I reckon that Switzerland should publish details of all accounts held by German nationals resident in Germany to embarrass the politicians, union heads, champagne socialists and whoever else.

They might just get what you wish for... not part of the game plan, probably..
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Not sure if this applies everywhere (but it probably does) but anyone can go and request to see my previous tax returns. They'll be told my taxable income for that year and the wealth I declared.

In a country which was pretty much founded on a tradition of financial privacy I find it a bit strange...
Specifically, how is this possible to look up the tax records of an individual, does it cost and how can we protect our data.
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A bloody good idea IMO.

For all the faults of the Swiss system (less privacy for individuals) stuff like this this does help 'keep people honest'.
I guess it could. I think the quid pro quo should be that if you request somebody's tax return, that person is notified and is told who requested it and the reason given for the request (if any).
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Re: Ironies of Data Protection

How scary is that ppl can just search for your address on license plate?? imagine those aggressive drivers who can actually find others?

Does ZH have an instant online upload request forms? I'd pay anything to block private info ASAP

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How scary is it if someone can resurrect a 12 year old post?

Plus ça change, plus ça la même chose.
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How scary is that ppl can just search for your address on license plate?? imagine those aggressive drivers who can actually find others?

Does ZH have an instant online upload request forms? I'd pay anything to block private info ASAP

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You can have it blocked.
It will not help you to hide, if you're one of those aggressive drivers.
Check the website of the "Strassenverkehrsamt".
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Re: Ironies of Data Protection

I'll scare bowlie by waking up the thread again.

Today I'm at the Kiosk (owner: Valora AG), waiting my turn in due corona distance. A gentleman is doing his lotto-business when I notice there is a display, not in his view but in mine and all the other people's waiting. This display shows me how much he won, then whether he won a replay (which means he's playing Swiss Lotto) and last but not least how much he plays today for (147 franks).


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How scary is that ppl can just search for your address on license plate?? imagine those aggressive drivers who can actually find others?

Does ZH have an instant online upload request forms? I'd pay anything to block private info ASAP

Thanks all!

If money is genuinely no object, transfer ownership of the car to somebody you hate and then pi$$ people off as much as you want and watch people crawl to the door of your enemy in search of revenge.
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I'll scare bowlie by waking up the thread again.

Today I'm at the Kiosk (owner: Valora AG), waiting my turn in due corona distance. A gentleman is doing his lotto-business when I notice there is a display, not in his view but in mine and all the other people's waiting. This display shows me how much he won, then whether he won a replay (which means he's playing Swiss Lotto) and last but not least how much he plays today for (147 franks).


Did you let the poor guy know?
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Did you let the poor guy know?
Actually the gentleman was gone quickly while I was still flabbergasted. But you're right, it was dumb not to tell him on the spot.

I told the sales-lady that this is a legally absolut no-go and she replied "it's always been this way" (I can never get used to this answer!) which it isn't as it's the first time I saw it. They might have moved it there because the corona-plastic cover gets in the way. That Kiosk is cramped.
Ah yeah, and the other standard answer "I didn't put it there". I told her, that's not the point, she needs to inform the boss, that this is a no-go.

The gentleman after me was astonished too. We were between indignation and incredulity so we half-heartedly took the piss by him checking whether my account-balance will show (as the person who actually pays can't see the bloody thing, only the rest of the world). But it seems to be a lotto-payment specific screen (obviously those payments don't go via the Valora till).
Yet when it was his turn and he handed in his lotto-slip it was all there again and I offered my condolences on him winning zero before I took off.
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Re: Ironies of Data Protection

wow, I had no idea. However I'm on the line of complaining about the swiss nose-parking attitude. Everywhere they ask for too much and I have to firmly remind them all the time that it's a confidential information they have no rights to ask for!

But there are the odd situations like applying for a flat where you can't respect your privacy, if you don't sent the last 3 pay slips you simply never get called up.

Have to check the tax returns of some nasty arogant people I worked with :-P Were they nasty because they earned peanuts or because they were really golden feathered

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Not sure if this applies everywhere (but it probably does) but anyone can go and request to see my previous tax returns. They'll be told my taxable income for that year and the wealth I declared.

In a country which was pretty much founded on a tradition of financial privacy I find it a bit strange...
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I told the sales-lady that this is a legally absolut no-go
actually, there is no issue here. He chooses to play, there is no personal data at risk. Nothing different to playing slots in a casino, for example. It's not being broadcast or recorded.

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