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Old 20.01.2017, 13:51
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CH is still a cool place, though! Certainly better than living in other parts of the world!
I totally get what you're saying about this country not being the right fit for you. I think I'd have struggled here in my 20's and 30's, but now I'm in my 50's, the place 'makes sense' to me.

Purely out of interest, where would you say Switzerland is better than and worse than? Obviously, I appreciate it's in your opinion.
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Community behavior on this forum is a clear reflection of the society here. Criticism on Swiss shortcomings is pushed under the rug and the Swiss glorification is upheld staunchly like those crazy flags you see all around you. Any criticism on social fabric here is immediately met with retaliation and elaborate techniques to muffle any deviant voices. "Forum legends" aka sticker-holders (who have glorious flags next to their profile names) quickly come running to tell you that the "problem is you", post some other irrelevant gibberish, and then some moderator closes the thread off.

Multiple racist incidents at Petra's Tip Top Bar, Zurich

Is it any wonder that people feel unwelcome? To be truly welcoming, people first need to accept the possibility that there may be differing cultures and opinions, even if they don't necessarily agree with them or like them. Logical and critical evaluation of those views against your own would be the next stage, but the society isn't ready for it yet. They are still stuck in the the last century.
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Community behavior on this forum is a clear reflection of the society here. Criticism on Swiss shortcomings is pushed under the rug and the Swiss glorification is upheld staunchly like those crazy flags you see all around you. Any criticism on social fabric here is immediately met with retaliation and elaborate techniques to muffle any deviant voices. "Forum legends" aka sticker-holders (who have glorious flags next to their profile names) quickly come running to tell you that the "problem is you", post some other irrelevant gibberish, and then some moderator closes the thread off.

Multiple racist incidents at Petra's Tip Top Bar, Zurich

Is it any wonder that people feel unwelcome? To be truly welcoming, people first need to accept the possibility that there may be differing cultures and opinions, even if they don't necessarily agree with them or like them. Logical and critical evaluation of those views against your own would be the next stage, but the society isn't ready for it yet. They are still stuck in the the last century.
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Community behavior on this forum is a clear reflection of the society here. Criticism on Swiss shortcomings is pushed under the rug and the Swiss glorification is upheld staunchly like those crazy flags you see all around you. Any criticism on social fabric here is immediately met with retaliation and elaborate techniques to muffle any deviant voices. "Forum legends" aka sticker-holders (who have glorious flags next to their profile names) quickly come running to tell you that the "problem is you", post some other irrelevant gibberish, and then some moderator closes the thread off.

Multiple racist incidents at Petra's Tip Top Bar, Zurich

Is it any wonder that people feel unwelcome? To be truly welcoming, people first need to accept the possibility that there may be differing cultures and opinions, even if they don't necessarily agree with them or like them. Logical and critical evaluation of those views against your own would be the next stage, but the society isn't ready for it yet. They are still stuck in the the last century.
So you'd prefer a forum where everyone agrees with everyone else, then? Is that what you're saying? That would be a bit dull.

Some of the responses are perfectly reasonable and balanced. Just because they don't automatically slam "the Swiss" (maybe because anyone with half a brain can figure out that it's incredibly ignorant, not to mention plain incorrect to assume the population of an entire nation shouldn't be judged on the reactions of a handful at most).

Why do you keep mentioning "stickers" and "flags" in all your posts?

Do you mean "avatars"? The avatars which are available to anyone on the forum if they are slightly tech-savvie (even me, and I'm thick)?
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No, you claimed it was rhetorical, a claim that was questioned my more than just me. Never mind; I'm just annoyed that I took what you wrote seriously enough to respond to it in the first place.
Can you two please continue this discussion via PM as it is not adding any value to this thread, thanks.
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No, I wish for a forum where threads don't get randomly closed off, because a few sticker holders deliberately write some off-topic posts to bury the original issue, especially when they find it hard to defend their views / agendas. Multiple racist incidents at Petra's Tip Top Bar, Zurich
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Why do you keep mentioning "stickers" and "flags" in all your posts?

Do you mean "avatars"? The avatars which are available to anyone on the forum if they are slightly tech-savvie (even me, and I'm thick)?
Obviously from the context he is referring to the forum legend status and rep system, as though makes any difference to someone having an opinion. It seems to be the stereotype rant of people who can't help but take internet forums way, way too personally and feel that they have been done a grave injustice because their thread was closed or because someone made a joke at their expense, as happened in his racism thread. I guess he hasn't managed to get over it yet.
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The "yet" is just two week old thread.. Sorry, but I've been busy meanwhile attending to a thing called my own life. When I just notice a similar thread going on since March 2016, I can't help feel annoyed at the forum system. If it's a reflection on the society here, perhaps a monetary donation might help change your attitudes?
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

I dont know
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Old 20.01.2017, 15:25
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No, I wish for a forum where threads don't get randomly closed off, because a few sticker holders deliberately write some off-topic posts to bury the original issue, especially when they find it hard to defend their views / agendas. www.englishforum.ch/complaints-corner/264620-multiple-racist-incidents-petra-s-tip-top-bar-zurich.html
Your 'issue' is based upon your perception. What do you expect from the members of this forum? Sympathy? Mass boycott of Petra's?

To summise...Straight guy goes into gay bar, alleges he's been treated badly, therefore all Swiss are racist.

You've said your piece ad infinitum... Get over it! Move on.
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The "yet" is just two week old thread.. Sorry, but I've been busy meanwhile attending to a thing called my own life. When I just notice a similar thread going on since March 2016, I can't help feel annoyed at the forum system. If it's a reflection on the society here, perhaps a monetary donation might help change your attitudes?
Yes I know... you came on the forum to passionately express what you thought was a serious issue where you were treated disrespectfully, and people didn't treat it with the gravitas that you expected. I know that must have created a surge of resentment, but 2 weeks is long enough to get over it regardless of how much you have visited the forum in that time. There are assholes in every country including here, and just be glad you are not in the UK where a racist incident in a bar is, compared to Switzerland, much more likely to leave you the victim of a violent physical assault.

Just let it go, put it down to experience, and stop taking your frustrations out on the forum, the moderators and members.
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Old 20.01.2017, 15:57
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They are still stuck in the the last century.
The last century was a hell of a lot better than this one is proving to be.

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Is it any wonder that people feel unwelcome?
Its a frequent complaint, but not necessarily experience by everybody. Could you perhaps be looking for love in all the wrong places?

Perhaps you should try to invest time and effort in developing personal relationships in real life, not here nor on public trains?

Hang on, I can't resist....
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Your 'issue' is based upon your perception. What do you expect from the members of this forum? Sympathy? Mass boycott of Petra's?

To summise...Straight guy goes into gay bar, alleges he's been treated badly, therefore all Swiss are racist.

You've said your piece ad infinitum... Get over it! Move on.
Actually about two days after his complaint I drove up Seilergraben and yes ofcourse I took note of Petra's this time.
Unfortunately it was 9 a.m. because I was kind of tempted to check the place out .... probably to find a bunch of foreigners wondering what a straight female wanted in there

However, the stuff he described in his post (guy coming up talking to them, asking the German if he brought them in/ other guy not wanting to let him pick up his bag and leave) sounded more like they were interested in him ..... maybe THAT's what made him nervous?
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

I don't think there is a way to be unwelcome. If you pay your bills on time and don't show your face in public you will be golden. Everything beyond that is your personal failure.
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No, I wish for a forum where threads don't get randomly closed off, because a few sticker holders deliberately write some off-topic posts to bury the original issue, especially when they find it hard to defend their views / agendas. Multiple racist incidents at Petra's Tip Top Bar, Zurich
I can understand you feeling sore about the previous thread being closed. What you don't understand is that discussions are quite often curtailed here when they get repetitive and increasingly abusive. It's not a reflection on you personally, but an attempt by a mod to maintain the peace in a discussion that isn't going anywhere.

Some discussions e.g. the Brexit one, keep going because every day there are new developments. Your gay bar complaint thread was never going to have any useful further development. To be honest, I would prefer that threads were not closed at all -- or not without plenty of warning. But it's one of those First World problems that I'll worry about some other time.
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I can understand you feeling sore about the previous thread being closed. What you don't understand is that discussions are quite often curtailed here when they get repetitive and increasingly abusive.
And they get abusive because of certain individua who repatrianty try to derail threads that are not to their liking. Sad reality of this board.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

I think this is a fantastic country and great for children to grow up and appreciate different languages and cultures, diversity and tolerance. Also there is visible investment in public services unlike the UK. I think we need to tax the rich in the UK to to pay for modern infrastructure, health care and public services - and some flowers in public areas!!
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I think we need to tax the rich in the UK to to pay for modern infrastructure, health care and public services - and some flowers in public areas!!
Careful here, under these circumstances they'll all be moving to Switzerland....
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