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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Strangely enough, the most hostile behaviour towards me I have experienced in this forum :P But that is another story

Watch the film, it is really informative and you can tell how much changed since then.
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Old 04.03.2016, 11:32
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Definitely never felt unwelcomed in Switzerland.


Always feel like a guest though.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Apparently I'm a "good foreigner", which means educated, Western, Christian (Catholic or Protestant), Caucasian, Anglophone - which is the top of the foreigner pyramid. At the other end are Muslims and non-Caucasian (or your surname ends in an 'ic').

As a result I've not really felt unwelcome, but as someone else pointed out, I have often felt as if I'm a guest and if I express an opinion on politics, some Swiss do a bit of a double take on this. Of course, my Swiss friends don't see me this way, to the point that one has tried to get me to join or otherwise get involved in the SVP. It's quite confusing alright.

You do get a really small number of Eidgenossen who'll you'll overhear talking among themselves, complaining about not just foreigners and naturalized citizens, but even those natural born Swiss who have a foreign parent.
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Old 04.03.2016, 14:29
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Apparently I'm a "good foreigner", which means educated, Western, Christian (Catholic or Protestant), Caucasian, Anglophone - which is the top of the foreigner pyramid. At the other end are Muslims and non-Caucasian (or your surname ends in an 'ic').

As a result I've not really felt unwelcome, but as someone else pointed out, I have often felt as if I'm a guest and if I express an opinion on politics, some Swiss do a bit of a double take on this. Of course, my Swiss friends don't see me this way, to the point that one has tried to get me to join or otherwise get involved in the SVP. It's quite confusing alright.

You do get a really small number of Eidgenossen who'll you'll overhear talking among themselves, complaining about not just foreigners and naturalized citizens, but even those natural born Swiss who have a foreign parent.
EVen within your good foreigners demographic there is a split I think. I've had a theory for a while that Good European Foreigners come from countries that also have a cross on the flag and bad ones come from ones with horizontal stripe(s)
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Old 04.03.2016, 14:33
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EVen within your good foreigners demographic there is a split I think. I've had a theory for a while that Good European Foreigners come from countries that also have a cross on the flag and bad ones come from ones with horizontal stripe(s)
As a German: We used to have a cross, but nobody liked it. (and what about the countries with vertical stripes?)
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As a German: We used to have a cross, but nobody liked it. (and what about the countries with vertical stripes?)
Yeah you guys just took it too far though.

Guess vertical stripes would be in the same boat as horizontal.
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First day in the village, as I was outside waiting for the removal van to arrive, approached by a complete stranger:

"Ah, Mr Breakfast! Welcome to our village! We are really pleased that you have moved here. We hope you like it."

If that's not being made to feel welcome, I don't know what is.

Don't know what you buggers are all doing wrong.
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First day in the village, as I was outside waiting for the removal van to arrive, approached by a complete stranger:

"Ah, Mr Breakfast! Welcome to our village! We are really pleased that you have moved here. We hope you like it."

If that's not being made to feel welcome, I don't know what is.

Don't know what you buggers are all doing wrong.
It was a bet, and that guy lost.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Few days after we had moved in, our senile neighbour came upstairs and brought with two brand new and unopened sets of felt pads. She motivated that the kitchen table's metal legs when pushed against the tiles, they made unbearable grinding noise.

That was so sweet of her and made us feel inconsiderate. If it's not called welcome then I don't know people.
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Few days after we had moved in, our senile neighbour came upstairs and brought with two brand new and unopened sets of felt pads. She motivated that the kitchen table's metal legs when pushed against the tiles, they made unbearable grinding noise.

That was so sweet of her and made us feel inconsiderate. If it's not called welcome then I don't know people.
According to a good many posters on here in CH they'd have posted a note on your door and filed a complaint with the regie, so where was that?
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Where was that?
After all in CH they'd have posted a note on your door and filed a complaint with the regie.
We have very reasonable neighbours in Ehrendingen. The building is relatively old from 1970's and walls make the noise isolation very weak. When one speaks loud or drops something on the floor, then one can hear almost everything.

My neighbour came in peace and offered rather a solution to the problem than desire to escalate it. TIS!
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

The swiss middle class people perceive the german and british expats and immigrants evermore as unwelcome competitors in a battle against social decline. It is a normal phenomenon and has nothing to do with racism. It is similar to the UKIP (Swiss version of SVP) movement in the UK against Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian immigration.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

The only mistake that I apparently do make now is that I still address my neighbours after all these years (they are in their 70's or 80's) per Sie. The other day, and on several other occasions, she told me du musst mir sagen du, ich bin kein Sie für dich but I always fail to remember it

What helps in feeling home is the language command. More one feels comfortable with onself then all other obstacles become minuscule. Today I got my certificate B1 and next month I'm planning to pursue my B2. I felt welcomed by the school teachers, by the encouraging people constantly reminding me that my German is very good and I just need to speak it on regular basis to get better and better and I should constantly learn new reach vocabulary. The surrounding world becomes more welcome if you comprehend it.

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Few days after we had moved in, our senile neighbour came upstairs and brought with two brand new and unopened sets of felt pads. She motivated that the kitchen table's metal legs when pushed against the tiles, they made unbearable grinding noise.

That was so sweet of her and made us feel inconsiderate. If it's not called welcome then I don't know people.
Are you sure of the meaning of 'senile' - she may be old, but she doesn't sound like someone who is 'senile' at all.
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The only mistake that I apparently do make now is that I still address my neighbours after all these years (they are in their 70's or 80's) per Sie. The other day, and on several other occasions, she told me du musst mir sagen du, ich bin kein Sie für dich but I always fail to remember it
Totally understand. I just have a mental block when it comes to addressing people with "Tu/Toi/Ton".
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The lady is old and looked very sick lately but still mentally very stable. By no means senile in negative meaning of the word. She's just ebbing away, receding with age. Perhaps, I should withdraw the too-strong word senile then and use a word senior instead, for better description.

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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

Senility and senile dementia is a form of Alzheimers - people who have the conditions rarely come up with solutions to problems My parents lived to age 94 and 96- and never ever were senile. Senior, elderly, frail ... but not senile.
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Re: Do you feel unwelcome in Switzerland?

It's my first post on this forum but generally I love how chill (for the most part) people are and as an Asian-American I must say it pretty much feels like at home. I have felt no discrimination whatsoever. Although reading the article it seems like the Swiss used to be more harsh in the past (don't know much about the current policies to be honest) I think they're over that now
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I agree with you. We are tolerated as long as we bring something of value. But open friendliness (as I, for example, experienced after moving to Ireland) I have never experienced here. As I have never experienced open hostility There were only few episodes of misunderstanding due to a language barrier which were felt as If I was breaking their beloved rules on purpose

But the film I have pointed to shows much worse picture and the open hostility to Italian immigrants was appalling. During the last quotas voting I had a feeling they try to restart the hatred (they = swiss politicians) in order to gain voters. It seems they have partially succeeded but I don't think it was based on hatred - merely on poor understanding of modern world economics and demographics

I think, that nation which never experienced necessity for emigration itself, will never fully understand those who seek better lives...
I believe a large number of Swiss immigrated to the US in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Any arm-chair historians on this forum know more about it?
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I believe a large number of Swiss immigrated to the US in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Any arm-chair historians on this forum know more about it?
GTS

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/when-the...merica/6784658

http://www.angloswiss.net/documents/39.html

http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Sr...Americans.html
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