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Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Is it allowed that any establishment whether government owned or public owned, refuse service to asylum seekers or people with F-Permit based solely on their residence status? Say bus, trains or migros, coop, banks and gym, swimming pools, bars and night clubs, hospitals or restaurants.

2nd Question can legal action be taken against such act?
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Old 16.05.2016, 06:12
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Yes and no.
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Old 16.05.2016, 06:30
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Is it allowed that any establishment whether government owned or public owned, refuse service to asylum seekers or people with F-Permit based solely on their residence status? Say bus, trains or migros, coop, banks and gym, swimming pools, bars and night clubs, hospitals or restaurants.

2nd Question can legal action be taken against such act?
I've never been asked about my permit when using a bus or train, or shopping in Migros or Coop, or getting a ticket for a swimming pool, or getting a drink at a bar, a night-club or eating at a restaurant.

For the others - gym, hospital and bank - possibly. It depends what you were wanting.

Instead of asking a general question, why don't you talk about what happened? I find it very hard to believe that you went into Migros to buy a banana and were refused service because of your F-permit. Or is this another fantasy like white people never been checked by ticket inspectors?
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Happened in night ckub and swimming pool
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Old 16.05.2016, 10:29
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

AFAIK a night club owner can decide who is allowed in and who not, how nasty this may feel to you.
As for swimming pools, I read something about that but not sure whether that was Switzerland or Germany
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Happened in night ckub and swimming pool
Sorry about that, but why did you mention bus, trains, migros, coop, banks, hospitals and restaurants in your original post?

And how come you seem to think Migros, Coop, banks, or restaurants could be "government owned or public owned"?
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:26
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As for swimming pools, I read something about that but not sure whether that was Switzerland or Germany
You'll find some more info. here:

http://www.thelocal.ch/20160301/swiss-swimming-pool


According to Markus Schefer , professor of criminal law at Basel University , " this provision infringes the prohibition of discrimination of the Swiss Constitution and is therefore unlawful . " It is permissible to define for safety reasons a maximum occupancy , he adds. "But it must then apply to all and not only for asylum seekers . "
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Did the night club ask for your permit? Or just refuse you entry?
Did the swimming pool ask for your permit?
Is the swimming pool run be the community, or is it private?

Why are you so shy of giving details of what happened? Do you want any advice or help? Or are you just whining?

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You'll find some more info. here:

http://www.thelocal.ch/20160301/swiss-swimming-pool
8 x 20m pool that is small - but as the law professor says, discrimination is illegal. I can't imagine such a thing happening in any of the pools around where I live. Though individuals may get banned if they misbehave.
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

These articles, although from 2013, give some background:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/16796108
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/14118362


OP, if you google 'Rayonsverbot' or 'sensible Zonen' you will find additional articles. The subject is controversial, to say the least.
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Still, a bit more information from OP might come handy. See Notallthere´s questions
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One can tell it's a bank holiday Monday.
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Strange, I thought it was Pentecost.
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Old 16.05.2016, 12:55
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

It's not written on your forehead that you are an asylum seeker. They wouldn't know. I remember seeing something about a pool too in Switzerland that refused entry to lots of burkina wearers or something. As to the disco you were probably not conforming to whatever dress code they have.
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Old 16.05.2016, 14:02
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It's not written on your forehead that you are an asylum seeker. They wouldn't know. I remember seeing something about a pool too in Switzerland that refused entry to lots of burkina wearers or something. As to the disco you were probably not conforming to whatever dress code they have.
According to his profile Valentino is a Mexican banker. I doubt he lives on a N or F permit if that's the case. In Switzerland it is not legal to deny somebody based on his permit/origin - as he/she has a permit to live here. An exception can be banks (as I'm sure the banker knows)as their argument is, that e.g. N-permits are no proof of identity, which is correct as most N-permits are based on information the asylum-seeker gives at the border/reception centres and not on documents because many people couldn't take their documents or lost them on their escape.
According to his profile Valentino is a nice guy, according to his posts he has a hard time getting along with people here and finds it unfair, that due to his color (according to him) he gets cought riding trains/trams without having a ticket while his white friends don't get cought. That's true, that is unfair
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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Re swimming pools - I sure wouldn't want to be on duty as a Lifeguard when a larger group of young men of any nationality holding any type of permit arrived, if I had the impression that they were not used to going to swimming pools and if they couldn't understand any language which I speak. Purely from a safety point of view.

A group larking around in the water are very difficult to keep an eye on. Is the guy who is shouting, drowning or just larking around? How can I ask? Is that guy underwater over there in trouble or just swimming? Don't they realise that one mustn't jump from the 3 meter board when others are swimming underneath? How can I explain that? Roughhousing and playing with a ball in the non-swimmer pool is fine but how do I make it clear to them that they should ensure the ball doesn't hit the small kids on the head and that they don't mow the youngsters down as they charge about?

And these are things I've seen happening. I also had a 'foreign' fellow who could swim perfectly well but didn't realise that he wouldn't be able to stand on the bottom at the deep end. And he tried it. It simply hadn't occurred to me to tell him. 'Everybody' knows that pools are built like that.

Re clothing at pools - I think one question may be the material the attire is made of. At most pools it is forbidden to wear normal street clothing at the poolside.
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At most pools it is forbidden to wear normal street clothing at the poolside.
Somebody should tell Speedo Mick...

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Whatever. I'm not working today and this thread has me reaching for the popcorn.

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As to the disco you were probably not conforming to whatever dress code they have.
Some clubs don't allow single men, especially when they come in groups. Whether they apply the same rule for the white too or every ethnicity, I don't know...but this is what they say.
Source: German tv..
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Strange, I thought it was Pentecost.
Pentecost was yesterday (Sunday).

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Re: Is such act allowed by the government and people???

Here's a few explanations:

The club was possibly a) full and/or b) didn't let in men that are not accompanied by women and/or c) you were wearing the wrong clothes. Especially b) happens all the time - when I go to a club with girlfriends, we are asked almost every time by a group of guys to go in with them cause otherwise they wouldn't be permitted.

As for pools, you may have a) either arrived shortly before closing and/or b) the pool was overcrowded. Plus Longbyt's comment makes a lot of sense too.

I also doubt you are a) an asylum seeker (based on your profile) and/or b) hold an F/N permit. And even if you are and/or do, I have yet to see someone being asked for their permit when entering a club or swimming pool.

As far as "bus, trains, Migros, Coop, gym etc." are concerned, no idea how that is relevant as nothing happened in either.

Oh edit, I just realized you're the same guy who thinks he's being controlled in the tram/bus every time whereas "whites" are not. Though everyone has said that is not the truth, you stuck to your opinion, so I guess any reasonable arguing here is a lost cause

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I remember seeing something about a pool too in Switzerland that refused entry to lots of burkina wearers or something.
Yes Basel (which is extremely liberal, so getting to this point must have a reason): http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/basel/st...boten-11134353

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