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You've never lived in a small community, have you?
Depends on your definition of a small community; which you failed to define?

The community I moved into in 1997 had 3,000 residents.
As an example of integration, today we visited a local wine bar and ordered a bottle of red wine; the owner gave us a second bottle "as it is almost Christmas".
We are "per du" with most of our GemeindeRat and also with retired members. I only went through the "Swiss Einbürgerung" process because the members of our Gemeinderat pressured me to do this.

Walking our dogs is a real pain because three times a day I make a short walk (once a day longer ca. two or three kilometres) with our dogs which short walk is supposed to last about a half hour but so many people want to stop and chat then I am lucky to get home in an hour or more!
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Old 17.12.2016, 00:20
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Nah I'm like only 22 lol.
cm?? no wonder you have a problem!

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1. You're a woman
2. likely an attractive woman
3. You origin from West/North
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1. You look like swiss
2. You look attractive
3. You come from West/North

Congratz, you have won an entry ticket to be actually accepted by Swiss.
In that case, how do you explain the same reaction that our fellow new neighbours experienced, one of whom is half-Indian, another is Japanese (with a Portuguese husband), and yet another is a Portuguese-Australian couple?

Oh you can't, because you are a fu*kwit with ridiculous preconceptions and generalisations about the Swiss.

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Depends on your definition of a small community; which you failed to define?
We're discussing Switzerland and I suspect you've been in here long enough to know what it means. Or maybe not, which would explain your previous response.
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I agree that most of what we perceive about the reactions of people around us has to do with our frame of mind at that moment. Some people have thick skin and whatever the people around them say or do to them, it just washes over them while others will take it more personally. But I also believe that, if, from a young age, you have been treated differently because you looked a certain way, it is perfectly normal to perceive behaviour as relating to that.

As an example, do you remember what happened to Oprah Winfrey a couple of years ago? She was not shown a bag in an expensive boutique because the sales assistant assumed she cannot afford it. What does Oprah naturally think? It is because she is a black woman. She even went onto say that she was dressed nicely in a Donna Karan skirt so she really could not find any other reason why the assistant immediately assumed she cannot afford the bag. It can only be one thing right? If Oprah, after all these years of success and all those millions, cannot shake off the feeling that any perceived looking down on she encounters must surely be because of her race, for us simple folks it is perfectly reasonable to feel the same way too.
what happened was that the more expensive bag was on the top of the shelf and the sales rep said: the one you look at is the same bag like up there, the one up just has another zipper infront. ergo she wanted to avoid to climb up, get it for her and then she isnt buying it. it was all about laziness! this woman works at trois pomme for years and can 100% tell if you can pay for stuff by just looking at the insignials like clothes and jewellery you are wearing or the by the handbag or shoes(brand) you have. it was just a bad coincidence and oprah just being a simple customer.
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Honestly, sounds like it is you
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Swiss people are racialists.As a Chinese man,nearly once a week,Swiss people laugh at me,when i am walking with my wife who is Swiss.Such terrible racial laughes and jokes in front of my face,that i feel like they put a knife into my heart every time .

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Hi guys. I'm a russian who moved to Switzerland 9 months rectangular. Here is my my honest opinion about Switzerland:

- swiss don't like foreigners. This was reported with such a consistence that I'd call it a rule.
- swiss are extremely superficial
- swiss don't like me
- swiss are super snobby
- swiss are extremely narrow minded
- swiss are very judgemental
- swiss are rude
- swiss are ignorant
- swiss are so boring in average. I haven't met so boring people in my life. No sense of humor, no vibe, no character, complete zombies.

- I feel very not welcomed here
- for all the time I'm in CH I've made 0 swiss friends. I've been in many EU countries and in each one I've made at least one local friend, but unfortunately not in Switzerland.
- some swiss guy openly told me that swiss don't like foreigners. He even told me that swiss hate each other. He personally hates zurichers the most.
- when I came to CH I stayed at some swiss girl. She told me, that swiss people are very rude in general. Her BF didn't speak a word with me for a whole time.
- I also met argentinian girl told me that she has 0 swiss friends, while being for 3 years in CH. Then some guy told me he lives in CH for 30 years and none of his swiss neighbours invited him to their homes, but he hosted all of them.

- party life is utterly bad. In Zurich you have the long street - which is more like a nest of crime, rather than a center for party - and there is sth in Geneva, but haven't been there. That's it.

- swiss don't know how to party. Most of so-called parties are funerals with rubbish music.

- switzerland is so lifeless place. Towns don't have any vibe. There is no life. Just posh, clean stuff and money. Dead inside dead outside.

- when I use public transport, it's a daily routine that swiss stare in me like I came from Mars. Is it that bad to see a russian looking russian?

- For few times I've had very bad experience with cashiers - they either didn't want to speak a word with me, I've been thrown a bill at me like I'm a dog, but they often eye-roll.

- swiss people don't know how to stand in a line or they just purposely skip auslanders. I've get skipped in a line in a daily basis.

- I think that I get skipped even in restaurants. I often wait suspiciously long and many times they've served guest who came after me.

- I almost always have free seats when using public transport. If they get occupied, it's due to foreigners.

- swiss CAN SMELL a foreigner. I'm serious.

- if i try to speak with a swiss, conversations don't get over 1-2 mins long. Then he moves away, while giving me that semi-stare/creepy look.

- swiss women are extremely arrogant

- swiss are racists. I've noticed and heard this one so many times, that it hurts. Here I see black people with black people, and not mixed. Black people are always sitting alone in trains/busses. The exception to all of this are black women.

- switzerland simply doesn't feel European. It's a very bizarre place and has nothing in common with other EU countries. I can't imagine these guys ever joining EU.

- swiss food feels so plastic.

- swiss life is so slow. Switzerland is slow.

- swiss use a word 'auslander' a lot

- swiss women eye-roll to me a lot

- money that is earned in switzerland isn't very remarkable to spend in switzerland. Everything is so damn expensive that if you want to have the same life style as in comparable country, you many end with the same amount or no savings, especially if you have a family. Restaurants are extremely expensive. Meat prices are crazy. Dentist prices are crazy. Partying in clubs is expensive. Having a lively life stile while trying to make some decent savings, a 6000CHF brutto is not enough.

- swiss employers don't appreciate my work. They see me as necessary evil, because I can do stuff few time better than theywould and for half lower price. They don't like me as a person.

- if one speaks german and is nice/polite/doesn't act like having a metal rod in his/her ass, he or she is a german. This is a rule for me.

-swiss see germans as farmers or sth with lower grade.

-it's worthless to learn swiss german. Everybody said to me not to waste time for that. Firstly I don't have any swiss friends so I'd be able to use it and secondly some swiss told me that swiss german is only for swiss.

- swiss romande are not better swiss. They're just less horrible. Swiss is swiss, sorry.


Upper points are mostly negative, but there also positives:
+ swiss know how to drive. When I'm crossing the road, most of time these guys start braking like 40m before zebra. I can rarely see crazy people on the road, but if it happens, it probably an auslander.
+ switzerland is safe. I can sleep on the street and I don't have to worry that somebody would rob me of a liver.
+switzerland has a potential to make nice savings with a compromise that you lower expenses.
+ lots of money, if you're in management, pharma or banking
+ switzerland has a trustful employment sistem. I think you don't have to worry that your employer would screw you up with not paying you or firing you just of nowhere.
+ switzerland is a great place to build your career and become more competitive on the market. Achieve this and then get the hell out.
+switzerland might be a good place socially, if you look central-european. Look attractive or look like one of them and you should be fine.

This is it for now. Will update the list.
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Old 12.06.2017, 10:48
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Just throw them a "gruezi mitenand" in their face and they'll be humbled.
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Old 12.06.2017, 11:55
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I don't know what is wrong with being Asain.Really.
I'll ask my wife, her ex was Asian, I'm sure that's why she divorced him.

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I'll ask my wife, her ex was Asian, I'm sure that's why she divorced him.

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Well, for her sake, i certainly hope it wasn't for you !!!
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Swiss people are racialists.As a Chinese man,nearly once a week,Swiss people laugh at me,when i am walking with my wife who is Swiss.Such terrible racial laughes and jokes in front of my face,that i feel like they put a knife into my heart every time .

I don't know what is wrong with being Asain.Really.
Maybe you and ohmy can commiserate together.

https://www.englishforum.ch/complain...itzerland.html

I really can't believe that anyone is going to walk up to a couple of strangers on a public street and make a joke about them and laugh. There are plenty of Swiss men with Asian wives here so I can't think it would bother them if things are the other way around unless it hits their manly macho pride that a Swiss (and how do they know she's Swiss?) woman would choose an Asian over a Swiss man.

And what does your wife say when this supposedly happens in public view?
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I mean when we walk.They laugh at me.I never experince this in France or Germany.Only in Switzerland. When we were in the boat, a group of young people at the bank made jokes so lould, my father in law was there as well.
And two days ago in Lucerne at the bank a young coupld laughed at me so loud. You never experience this,of course you will not believe.


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https://www.englishforum.ch/complain...itzerland.html

I really can't believe that anyone is going to walk up to a couple of strangers on a public street and make a joke about them and laugh. There are plenty of Swiss men with Asian wives here so I can't think it would bother them if things are the other way around unless it hits their manly macho pride that a Swiss (and how do they know she's Swiss?) woman would choose an Asian over a Swiss man.

And what does your wife say when this supposedly happens in public view?
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And exactly how do you know they're laughing at you?
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Swiss people are racialists.As a Chinese man,nearly once a week,Swiss people laugh at me,when i am walking with my wife who is Swiss.Such terrible racial laughes and jokes in front of my face,that i feel like they put a knife into my heart every time .

I don't know what is wrong with being Asain.Really.
What does your Swiss wife think about what is happening?

It is at least possible that you might, without realising it, be doing something that is considered offensive or odd or amusing in Switzerland, but not in your home country. If that is the case, then what you feel to be people laughing at you might be a reaction not to your race, but to some aspect of your behaviour, that is different from the general cultural expectation here.

Can your wife suggest anything that you could do, to improve the interactions?

Olygirl's suggestion sounds good, for example:
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You never experience this,of course you will not believe.
No, I've never experienced this, and I have Asian step-children, nieces, nephews and grandchildren with whom I am often out and about with.

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Re: 9 months in Switzerland - a honest report.

Perhaps, in your culture, it might be offensive to laugh when meeting someone. So, if you see someone with their mouths open, their teeth showing, and a loud laughing voice, then to you, maybe, that might seem like bad behaviour in itself. In Switzerland, it is quite common to laugh out loud, in public. It is possible that the people you see laughing are doing so about something that has nothing to do with you.
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I really can't believe that anyone is going to walk up to a couple of strangers on a public street and make a joke about them and laugh. There are plenty of Swiss men with Asian wives here so I can't think it would bother them if things are the other way around unless it hits their manly macho pride that a Swiss (and how do they know she's Swiss?) woman would choose an Asian over a Swiss man.

And what does your wife say when this supposedly happens in public view?
A very good Swiss friend of mine married a Japanese fellow. She has often told me how often this kind of crap happens. Both her daughters (27 &30)were born here, and are as Swiss as they come - they grew up facing this, but speaking perfect Swiss German (and both being as feisty as their mother) they can reply with a suitably snarky response.

The last time we talked about it the daughters both said it still happens every now and then, but not as often as when they were little.

It does happen.

@yangpopov: you'd face a certain amount of this crap even if you were Caucasian (I did). My strategy was to get a Swiss passport at the very first opportunity, and carry my id all the time. Whenever someone gives me "You don't belong here" crap I just take out my ID and say (In German) "I chose to have this, you just happened to be born on this bit of rock, asshole.". It won't change the racist in any fundamental way (though it will shut him up for a moment), but you will get the odd appreciative nod from other Swiss.
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A very good Swiss friend of mine married a Japanese fellow. She has often told me how often this kind of crap happens. Both her daughters (27 &30)were born here, and are as Swiss as they come - they grew up facing this, but speaking perfect Swiss German (and both being as feisty as their mother) they can reply with a suitably snarky response.

The last time we talked about it the daughters both said it still happens every now and then, but not as often as when they were little.

It does happen.
What do they think it is about?
Specifically, what is the "laughing" for, or what causes it?

Is there anything they can do that lessens the impact, for them?
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