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That's easy, it's not for everyone. Albeit, I love it!
Surely that should be "Sobeit, i love it"
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That's easy, it's not for everyone. Albeit, I love it!
That is very true. What I don't get (well I do - see later) is why having been here for a while people then rant about what Switzerland is. The country isn't going to change for an individual and the country won't have changed between checking it out and considering living there and actually doing so.

And so they live in the country and slowly wind themselves up until they decide they have had enough and post a rant just as they are leaving.

They could of course have posted "I am struggling with ........." threads through out their stay - and learned to accept what they can change and what they can't - but then they couldn't troll for 10 posts and then post things for sale!!
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Old 09.01.2017, 10:48
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Re: Time to leave Switzerland, early...

1.creativity/arts, i think it lacks..
Must be kidding me with all the patents this country has

2. Line cutters,we get cut all the time..
A real killer, isn't it?

3. People arent reserved, they actually are rude.
You have never been to Germany, haven't you?

4. Children are shushhed all the time, even by strangers
Yes, and that is good, when they misbehave.

5.Neutrality, not a good thing.. (insert tutu quote here)
Very good thing indeed.

6. Racism, its real here.
A minority of people, like everywhere.

7. Narrow minded,"it is not possible!" yes it is.
Not really, for such a small country they have achieved many things.
Don't confuse talking with doing.

8. Big corporations, bad for the world.. Good money for the swiss
Have you heard of economies of scale?

9. Antiquated systems everywhere
Compared to?

10. Punctuality and efficiency... I feel like im in a time warp in this country..
Don't get it

I like a lot, too. But these outweigh my willingness to live like this any longer.
Good luck!
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Re: Time to leave Switzerland, early...

Commercially and emotionally, extremely repressed!
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Enough about you.
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Re: Time to leave Switzerland, early...

Holon, are you still around? No country is perfect - and certainly none is perfect for 100% of people. Sorry you have found it difficult to settle in mine- c'est la vie. And good luck for your future wherever you choose to go.

Out of interest though- where are you from? Just so that we can compare more easily and fairly.
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Out of interest though- where are you from? Just so that we can compare more easily and fairly.
He's from the United States.

How is that relevant? His points either stand or they don't - his origins make no difference to that, unless one wishes to engage in whataboutery or a bit of the old ad hom.
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Re: Time to leave Switzerland, early...

Don't be daft- one's own experiences back home will have a big influence on how some perceive new places. USA is a big place though- grow up in deepest Alabama not quite the same as NJ, or West Virginia.... Certainly did have a big influence in how I perceived London in the early 70s ...

Mind you, that applies on a smaller scale to CH, as we all know. Living in ZH has little to do with living in Glarus or the Neuchâtel Jura- Ticino or Upper Wallis, etc.
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Old 09.01.2017, 13:56
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If you'd read post 10 on the first page of the thread you'd know that he is from the US.


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That is very true. What I don't get (well I do - see later) is why having been here for a while people then rant about what Switzerland is. The country isn't going to change for an individual and the country won't have changed between checking it out and considering living there and actually doing so.
I've known three people who put more effort into where they were going for a two week holiday than into researching the country they were relocating to. All three are back in the UK now.
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Aha. Thanks.
I thought he meant people hanging up on him on the phone.

You're making fun, right? I'm not a native speaker and figured what OP meant....

What i don't get is why do we all keep responding to these threads when it's the same old, same old...somebody didn't adapt and takes his/her resentful/bitter remarks on the most popular expat forum in Ch...
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What i don't get is why do we all keep responding to these threads when it's the same old, same old...
Age and to an extent, boredom.
Maybe, a self-preservation effort... Who knows
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Gahh i just typed a ton of "complaints" ,or reasons,why I am leaving early, and I was timed out.. Can people just touch on these:
1.creativity/arts, i think it lacks..
2. Line cutters,we get cut allthe time..
3. People arent reserved, they actually are rude.
4. Children are shushhed all the time, even by strangers
5.Neutrality, not a good thing.. (insert tutu quote here)
6. Racism, its real here.
7. Narrow minded,"it is not possible!" yes it is.
8. Big corporations, bad for the world.. Good money for the swiss
9. Antiquated systems everywhere
10. Punctuality and efficiency... I feel like im in a time warp in this country..

I like a lot, too. But these outweigh my willingness to live like this any longer.
I sympathise. Although we loved Switzerland, we felt like you do about another part of the world, which shall be nameless but let's just say it is an island in the southern hemisphere. Was so ill and depressed there, went to the doctor to ask if anything could be done. After ascertaining that the problem was psychological and not medical, she told me "leave........... and go somewhere else" which we managed to do, and never looked back because we then became much happier and were very relieved to get away. If you hate the place, then it's best to put it all behind you and either return home or go somewhere more fitting.
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Age and to an extent, boredom.
Maybe, a self-preservation effort... Who knows
Probably..

Just realised OP hasn't been banned yet, quite surprising.
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Gahh i just typed a ton of "complaints" ,or reasons,why I am leaving early, and I was timed out.. Can people just touch on these:
1.creativity/arts, i think it lacks..
2. Line cutters,we get cut allthe time..
3. People arent reserved, they actually are rude.
4. Children are shushhed all the time, even by strangers
5.Neutrality, not a good thing.. (insert tutu quote here)
6. Racism, its real here.
7. Narrow minded,"it is not possible!" yes it is.
8. Big corporations, bad for the world.. Good money for the swiss
9. Antiquated systems everywhere
10. Punctuality and efficiency... I feel like im in a time warp in this country..

I like a lot, too. But these outweigh my willingness to live like this any longer.
1) Huh? There is PLENTY of arts/creativity in Switzerland. Unless you explain this further, I really don't understand what you're pointing at.
2) Where? At supermarkets? Just today, a Turkish family in front of me asked me if I'd like to jump them - I had a full basket, they had a full cart. Obviously I had to deny, but thanked them for the offer. Swiss (and foreigners!) at supermarket queues are usually quite polite. Yes, bad examples exist, but generally, I found it to be very civilized.
3) They're direct. You don't like if people are telling you the truth? Go elsewhere, no one will stop you from it..
4) Depends VERY much on where you go. If you go for a child-friendly place, or even a place which isn't anti-children, it's no problem. If you're going for a 3* Michelin Star Restaurant with a crying baby, people will (rightfully) be annoyed at you. Not really something I see as a problem in Switzerland, to be honest..
5) What's better than neutrality? I really wonder! Please explain!
6) Racism? Hardly ever seen.. being reserved against "unknown" people? Yes! But Swiss tend to be reserved against anyone they don't know. I've not seen racism in it's "purest" form, ie, once you know someone, just because he's different. Please explain..
7) Rules are rules, and they're here for a reason. Yes, the bus can't wait for the train because it's actually connecting to another line/S-Bahn on the way. Sometimes, things aren't possible because they've been running like this forever (and indeed are a bit silly), but often there is a good reason why they go like this.
8) Big corporations are a "unique Swiss thing"? Please tell me more..
9) I actually fully agree here. I don't know why Switzerland isn't introducing something like SMRT's EZ-Link, but then this is partially true for the whole of Europe. Every city has it's own solutions.
10) Do you complain because everything is ON TIME? I don't really get this complaint at all.. please explain!
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Re: Time to leave Switzerland, early...

I hear ya & totally agree. & my husband and in laws are Swiss. Living there requires some major stamina, in fact, more than I have. Big paychecks are just not worth all the other stuff you have to deal with. Don't feel bad as people on this forum will try and make you feel for speaking against CH. It's not for everybody and everyone has their personal opinion and we're all free to express that.
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You're making fun, right? I'm not a native speaker and figured what OP meant....
No I was actually being serious. I have never heard the term line cutter as we call it a queue in UK English and I associated it with a phone line rather than a line of people. We say to get 'cut off' on the phone so I thought people were hanging up on him.

It's not a question of being native or not but rather the variant of English that you know.
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If you'd read post 10 on the first page of the thread you'd know that he is from the US.

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5. I dunno... I dont think countries,like the us, should stick their noses in everything but for those who cannot defend themselves i think there is legit reason... I.e, we should have let Hitler do his thing?
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