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Old 08.12.2006, 10:39
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Who is christkindly

Hi, I have finally moved to Basel

X-Mas

Got in an argument the other day regarding "Nikolaus" who kids are supposed to hand in there X-mas wish lists to.

It is x-mas even here in Switzerland and what do all children wait for during x-mas, yes you guest it right ..................presents....and who brings the presents for the kids................your answer would normally be santa claus, santa or father x-mas, but if your a swiss you probably would have ansered semiclaus with schmutzli or Christkindli. I tell you these swiss have a way of inventing their own words for basic things. What the heck is a semi claus? I mean if there is a semi claus what happened to the quarter or the final claus and what about the side kick he hangs around with schmutzli who the fxxck is he. Christkindli hello it's santa who bring the presents and not some christkindl.

What's next come easter the easter bunny will be replaced by the sämi bunny and eastkindly or what?

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Old 08.12.2006, 10:55
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Re: Who the fxxk is christkindly

It is Sammiclaus - not semi - it may have been the pronunciation that threw you. Anyway, doesn't every country/language/region have their own words for all sorts of things? I don't think it's just the Swiss that do it.
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Re: Who the fxxk is christkindly

Once this is sorted maybe you can explain what "fush n' chups", "jandals", "hangis", that dance before rugby games and the number "sux" are all about.

Jokes, just jokes

How is the World Guide according to Melissa progressing?
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Re: Who the fxxk is christkindly

don't swear (or pseudo-swear) in thread titles.
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Old 08.12.2006, 11:41
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Re: Who is christkindly

Melissa, don't expect to find everything just like it is 'back home'.

In Swiss - and many other countries' - traditions Santa, St Nicholas or Sammiclaus, originally a Turkish saint, comes to visit children on December 6. He brings nuts and oranges to good children (some incentive, eh?) and feigns punishment with a bunch of twigs for bad children.

Many Swiss families get a family friend to act the part on the evening of December 6 and it is quite a 'big deal'. He should be accompanied by a dirty assistant, Schmutzli, and a donkey if possible.

On the evening of December 24, not 25, the Christ Child, or Christkindli, a sort of female angel, bring presents to children much in the fashion of the US/UK's Santa, though the chimney is replaced by a much more practical window...
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Re: Who is christkindly

Well Ebery country has there own names that's fine but to have an angel delivering the X-mas presents to the kids instead pf a Father X-mas is not acceptable by me.

I mean if the Nikolaus man would deliver the presents it would be ok for me and not an additional figure christkindli?

Well I guess I have to actually spend my first X-mas here to get a better view of the swiss taditions

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p.s sorry for the Fxxx in the title
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Re: Who is christkindly

I found this site last year to help explain to my Canadian head exactly what this is about...

http://www.swissworld.org/eng/swissw...rubricId=14060

the whole Schmutzli thing confused me...haha

I really like saying that word though, it's cute, unlike him.

Schmmmmmuuuuuuuuutzli
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Well Ebery country has there own names that's fine but to have an angel delivering the X-mas presents to the kids instead pf a Father X-mas is not acceptable by me.
I don't know what is more funny you complaining about the Santa name or "angel delivering the X-mas presents" When was the last time you saw an angel? Getting worked up about non existent figures is funny
Santa won't be coming anymore as he got hit

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Well Ebery country has there own names that's fine but to have an angel delivering the X-mas presents to the kids instead pf a Father X-mas is not acceptable by me.
If you think about what Christmas is supposed to mean then surely you should not be upset about angels featuring in the present-giving? Rather looking at the traditional message over and above the commercial "meaning"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_claus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Santa_Claus

Do also note that Santa Claus was not created by Coca-Cola - rather the modern image of Santa Claus was.
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lol @ that pic.

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Re: Who is christkindly

It's nice to receive presents but the traditions roots are in charity, not avarice.

The Nicholas story was told to me when I worked in Turkey (where he was born) and as usual, has been corrupted over the generations to what we have today. However, the essence of the story is - as with most Biblical lessons - something we should perhaps ponder.

Nicholas was a monk in a village where a man had three daughters. The family was poor and the daughters were getting older and had no husbands. The father had no means of keeping the daughters and they had enterd a life of vice to support themselves. In protest at the wealth of the few who happily donated treasures to the church but wouldn't look after the poor, Nicholas collected some of the treasures and exchanged them for gold.

One night he climbed onto the roof where the poor girls lived and dropped the three bags of gold down the chimney. In the morning they found an anonymous well-wisher had saved them from further destitution.

Hence pawnbrokers use the three gold balls as a universal symbol outside their stores.
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Re: Who is christkindly

Just to confuse everyone more.....Saint Nicholas was actually from Greece (Patara) but this now belongs to Turkey. He died on Dec 6th, 342.

In Holland, they celebrate Sinterklaas on the evening of Dec 5th (not 6th!) and there the story goes that Sinterklaas (who is based on St Nicholas) comes from Spain.....

But that's because his remains were taken to a region which was later ruled by King Filips II who was king of Spain, Napels, Sicily, Portugal and The Netherlands.......

Either way, I hope the kids and the grown-ups have a great festive season, whatever way they choose the celebrate it.
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Old 08.12.2006, 14:05
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Re: Who is christkindly

I just had my first Swiss Christmas season experience and it charmed me. Sammiclaus visited the office, with mulled wine, nuts, chocolate and oranges and candles. He had one of those little cakes with the Santa sticker on it for each of us, and his assistant Schmutzli had a broom for smacking those who hadn't behaved well. (I was the only one )
This was a bit of contrast to the frantic commercial extravaganza I am used to elsewhere.
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Just to confuse everyone more.....Saint Nicholas was actually from Greece (Patara) but this now belongs to Turkey. He died on Dec 6th, 342.

In Holland, they celebrate Sinterklaas on the evening of Dec 5th (not 6th!) and there the story goes that Sinterklaas (who is based on St Nicholas) comes from Spain.....

But that's because his remains were taken to a region which was later ruled by King Filips II who was king of Spain, Napels, Sicily, Portugal and The Netherlands.......

Either way, I hope the kids and the grown-ups have a great festive season, whatever way they choose the celebrate it.
And to confuse people a bit more, the historical person of St Nicolas of Myra, who really existed, somehow got mixed with the story of Odin, who was often depicted as a bearded old man in a large cloak and wearing a floppy hat a bit like Santa does today. He also rode a giant sleigh through the sky on midwinter's night, something that Saint Nicolas of Myra definietly didn't do. In pagan times, people would place carrots and other tasty tidbits in stockings for Odin's white horse, Sleipnir, on that night. The Dutch have stayed a bit closer to the original tradition and their Sinterklaas still wears a bishop's mitre and comes on a boat and uses a donkey. But apart from that the prersent day Santa Claus owes more to Odin than it does to Saint Nicolas.
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Re: Who is christkindly

It's a nice story and all, but why the necroposting? This is a 5 year old thread!
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It's a nice story and all, but why the necroposting? This is a 5 year old thread!
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Re: Who is christkindly

I just read your red texted post, but to me it sounds like you grew up with "Santa Claus" and didn't realize yet that with 195 other countries in the world that there might be a chance that there are countries where they have different traditions, so noting to be angry about right?

Ah crap,

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what the hell is x-mas? sounds like a porn movie
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Re: Who is christkindly

Since we are necroposting - excellent phrase btw, haven't heard it before - what's with everyone explaining "Christkindli" as "some sort of female angel"? Am I completely beside the mark in thinking that Christ-kind-li means "little Christ child"? Baby Jesus, in other words. A relatively traditional part of Christmas in most Christianised cultures, or at least all those I've lived in.
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Since we are necroposting - excellent phrase btw, haven't heard it before - what's with everyone explaining "Christkindli" as "some sort of female angel"? Am I completely beside the mark in thinking that Christ-kind-li means "little Christ child"? Baby Jesus, in other words. A relatively traditional part of Christmas in most Christianised cultures, or at least all those I've lived in.
This might answer your question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christkind
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