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I remember "Brätkügeli". Wouldn't know the English translation for that - who wants to know, disgusting stuff.
My kids always loved them, even as adults.

Basically, fleischkaese balls.

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Not all jobs are 9 to 5. I ran tech support departments where it was fairly common to ask people to stay late, or go on an unexpected customer call. As people on the team had family the pool of people to call on reduced. This made my job more challenging, and it also (in some cases) caused tensions within the team.

But now that Kriss mentions that it is a coffee shop... I agree: Doofus.
I know there are jobs that require more flexibility than others. But I really think that non-parents should not be inconvenienced more than parents. If they are, it makes other parents less employable, in general. But. The problem often is with management, "emergencies" are often simply mismanaged situations. And who's gonna patch it up? Petites mains.

I interpretted for a long time for somebody who discriminated the other way - for his offices he would only hire single moms as admin. He always said there are loyal, trustworthy, organized, teamworking, hardworking and grateful. They always had a back up, too, for longer hours. Just sayin'. It was unusual, but he has a knack for good business, it worked well for him.
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Old 20.04.2017, 23:44
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My kids always loved them, even as adults.

Basically, fleischkaese balls.

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Only foreigners eat meatballs.

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Really? I acquired that taste in Warnemuende, fabulous klopsen.

Fleischkaese balls are basically spam balls, no?

Doro - paid overtime is regulated (ie not possible, often), while unpaid overtime is probably as frequent as elsewhere.
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"Sexism is, unfortunately, a really big thing here that people are only just starting to understand. :/
The number of times I've been in town with female friends and heard people say things like 'jolis seins' to them…"


Now, not to take anything away from the OP's comments which are very valid (and similarly experienceable in London, Paris...)...
...but honest to god chomp, your comment is incredibly Irritable, an irritable and pathetic comment dealing more with sexual harassment and not sexism.

But seeing as you brought it up and whilst we're on the matter then, right so you often hear the words "nice breasts" in French directed at the women you are walking with...and only ever in French, NEVER in English or in any other language?? Absolute pure pish

And this "problem" you claim they have here, my guess is you must come from a village somewhere, because if you call that abuse, your head must zip from the back! You have no idea. This is what I call abuse and this is what I have experienced same as other women in such stand-up nations as the UK and the US where screams of "show us yer fanny hen!", "Oy, ca'món darlin'! just a quickie" and "Yo bitch come suck ma dick".

That is sexual harassment, and not something you encounter here. As for the OP, I take it ALL these examples were with men only, and all were Swiss?
Actually, treating someone differently based on their biological sex is sexism, therefore sexual harassment in this case comes under sexism. That of course is not to say that that is always the case.
Finally, I grew up mostly in Switzerland and speak French every day as do all of my friends. Why on earth would someone say something like that to us in English if they hear us speaking French?
Your [probable] monolingualism does not give you license to suppose all other people are monolingual.

Back in the UK people might condone such speech but in this country it is something that's quite present in the media as a topic of concern.

Maybe also learn the difference between a quote and italics? It might make your posts easier to read.

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Doro - paid overtime is regulated (ie not possible, often), while unpaid overtime is probably as frequent as elsewhere.
I have not found it regulated. Not the number of hours possible as overtime, nor the wages for overtime. On the contrary, across many types of work in Switzerland, I have found overtime (whether paid or not) to be both possible, and common.

I've seen a standard paragraph in employment contracts to the effect that it is understood that overtime might be required, and that's that. Sometimes such a paragraph may include that the time will be paid as time usually is, or may be compensated on another day, by agreement with the manager.

Perhaps there are such regulations preventing overtime in some specific professions (oh, yes, I've just thought of one: taxi driving), and you know of one or more of those.
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Really? I acquired that taste in Warnemuende, fabulous klopsen.

Fleischkaese balls are basically spam balls, no?

Doro - paid overtime is regulated (ie not possible, often), while unpaid overtime is probably as frequent as elsewhere.
Warnemünde is Germany ...... are the Lederhosen gonna come up next again?
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Fleischkaese balls are basically spam balls, no?
NO, not even remotely similar.

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I have not found it regulated. Not the number of hours possible as overtime, nor the wages for overtime. On the contrary, across many types of work in Switzerland, I have found overtime (whether paid or not) to be both possible, and common.

I've seen a standard paragraph in employment contracts to the effect that it is understood that overtime might be required, and that's that. Sometimes such a paragraph may include that the time will be paid as time usually is, or may be compensated on another day, by agreement with the manager.

Perhaps there are such regulations preventing overtime in some specific professions (oh, yes, I've just thought of one: taxi driving), and you know of one or more of those.
I wonder if it is cantonal, then - but thinking about my friends, I don't know anyone who would be allowed paid overtime, to top their fixed work contracts here: hospital work, teaching full time, day care staff, TV, municipality jobs, cashier. Maybe it is just really infrequent?
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Warnemünde is Germany ...... are the Lederhosen gonna come up next again?
I hope not.
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I wonder if it is cantonal, then - but thinking about my friends, I don't know anyone who would be allowed paid overtime, to top their fixed work contracts here: hospital work, teaching full time, day care staff, TV, municipality jobs, cashier. Maybe it is just really infrequent?
The law is federal (Loi sur le travail LTr) and cantons can of course add their own regulations. Its worth also noting that unless someone actually files a complaint or something goes wrong, overtime restrictions are very rarely enforced. I've heard from friends that overtime is common in IT.
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Re: Female and Asian here in Switzerland


Was rubbing my hands together, cracking my palm joints - right! Asian female in der schweiz!!! Got to page 3 - what the hell??? How do i follow that???
All and any wise thoughts evaporated...
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Was rubbing my hands together, cracking my palm joints - right! Asian female in der schweiz!!! Got to page 3 - what the hell??? How do i follow that???
All and any wise thoughts evaporated...
What ever you mean you're deifinitely ahead of us as you wrote that on page 2. Well on my screen you did
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Your [probable] monolingualism does not give you license to suppose all other people are monolingual.


I am fluent trilingual English, Spanish, French, with good conversational Italian. Your predicted conclusion about me was very wrong.


As you had a problem with my use of inverted commas I have used the quote button to facilitate your reading enjoyment (actually, the quote button was not working for me when I tried last time so I decided to copy/paste...but again you are free to jump to your conclusions as to why it was done that way, and the fact that I am monolingual)
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Re: Female and Asian here in Switzerland

How is telling someone that they speak accent-free racist?

I spend a lot of time abroad and almost every English native speaker, normally in professional settings, feels the need to tell me that I barely have an accent. It never occurred to me that this could be racist in any way. Rather, I take it as a compliment.

In 2016, I was asked by an Australian whether we had TVs in Switzerland. Stupid and ignorant? Sure. Racist or any form of "-ist"? Hardly.

The married-blabla, who cares. Shrug and move on. So what, people have stereotypes, who gives a damn. We all have them, in 95% it doesn't matter. As long as people recognize stereotypes and revalidate them if need be, so what. No harm done.

There's different forms of discrimination and it clearly exists everywhere. But to interpret every bullshit someone says as some form of "-ism" is ridiculous. I see neither sexism or racism in any of the example. Just various degrees of stupidity. Not worth thinking about.
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My last name is Dutch (van something), and whenever I've had an appointment and had my name called, I've been told to sit down, as they are after Frau van something!!
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Racism case 2
Stranger: You speak English without a weird accent
Me: Erm, thank
I'm guessing British, rather than US?
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Really? I acquired that taste in Warnemuende, fabulous klopsen.

Fleischkaese balls are basically spam balls, no?

Doro - paid overtime is regulated (ie not possible, often), while unpaid overtime is probably as frequent as elsewhere.
Mmmm! Königsberger Klopse, havn´t made them in a long time. On the menu this weekend.
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How is telling someone that they speak accent-free racist?

I spend a lot of time abroad and almost every English native speaker, normally in professional settings, feels the need to tell me that I barely have an accent. It never occurred to me that this could be racist in any way. Rather, I take it as a compliment.
As an English guy, this confused me too. If I meet someone that isn't from England and they speak English without an accent (or actually in an English accent) then I'm generally quite impressed and will often compliment them. This mostly follows me assuming they are English and then having apologised for my mistake.

I had no idea that this could be construed as racism... wow.
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Sigh... plus side of things is I've yet to experience overt racism or sexism here. It's still a relatively safe place being female and asian given what is going on in the rest of Europe I guess!
I am sorry for all the bad experiences you made. I think the sexist ones are rather typical and have nothing to do with you being foreign or Asian. Many Swiss have very traditional views on gender roles.

But very honestly: I made way worse experiences with racism as an European in Asia. Simple example for a Singapore food court a bit off the tourist streams? Local grandma is feeding a small pre-school child (who does not want to eat). I walk by. She points her finger at me and says loudly "There, look at him! If you don't eat now will I call him over and Ang-Mo will scold you! You want that???" I am very rarely speechless but really did not know what to say...

Bottom line: there are some idiots everywhere. Unless it is affecting your direct life (say a work colleague) would I rather brush it off and laught about them. And it won't get any better in case you decide to marry. Being married to an Asian have I faced more than once people who think that I probably mail-ordered her...
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