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@MusicChick, that's interesting: I haven't found overtime to be extremely regulated in Switzerland. It seems to me that any employment contract can simply include an "I agree to overtime"-clause.
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I have not found it regulated. Not the number of hours possible as overtime, nor the wages for overtime. On the contrary, across many types of work in Switzerland, I have found overtime (whether paid or not) to be both possible, and common.

I've seen a standard paragraph in employment contracts to the effect that it is understood that overtime might be required, and that's that. Sometimes such a paragraph may include that the time will be paid as time usually is, or may be compensated on another day, by agreement with the manager.

Perhaps there are such regulations preventing overtime in some specific professions (oh, yes, I've just thought of one: taxi driving), and you know of one or more of those.
This is off topic, but since you brought it up twice: Swiss law is pretty clear. You can agree to a certain amount of overtime free of charge in your contract (on a 42 hour per week office job, the number is something like 45 hours total per week). Any excess beyond that needs to be compensated either by time in lieue or paid out at 125%, regardless of what your contract says. However, many people don't know that or don't claim because they're afraid of getting fired / blacklisted, and so employers in some industries save a fortune.

Know your rights - the Arbeitsgesetz is pretty straightforward, and there are good English summaries available through google.
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Re: Female and Asian here in Switzerland

Can anybody remember the viral video of the English guy on TV in his home office with his children walking in?
How many of you thought initially that the woman was the nanny?
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Re: Female and Asian here in Switzerland

I have a Singaporean friend in London whose stock answer to "hey you speak English really well" is

" so do you!"

She didn't find it racist, but very condescending.



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Me: Asia is a huge continent with a lot of countries and the Singapore passport is pretty awesome actually
Sorry, I have to risk some groans here, but whether you realize it or not, you are being typical Singaporean in thinking that you are superior to other Asian countries. I experience this a lot in Singapore (I am not Asian but have observed this many times...). In my opinion it is very much like the Swiss people who seem racist when they think they are superior to others too. Just bringing up a more balanced view...
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Old 22.04.2017, 13:14
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For each of your friends I'd be willing to bet there are four or five times as many of the WAG variety. I've often wondered if the reason for this is the macho attitude many Swiss men have regarding gender roles. Swiss women by and large seem to be progressive with wanting to study, get a job etc. Whereas the men can have a very outdated view of a woman's role. Hence many go to the Far East in search of their spouses.
Will Trump or Brexit inspire girls from the UK or US to sign up to this?

When travelling with people to go back home, it is always obvious which out of the EE girls are living the same story. Those with "outdated" husbands don't dare teaching their mother tongue to kids.

I have lovely Asian neighbors, born here. When people picked on them before, kids in school and so, they had a line "you can laugh now...I will laugh later". I guess you can't really pull that out in any setting, but it made me chuckle.

I think OP does not say her passport is better than others. She said it is pretty awesome. Why over-interpret.
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crap...can't edit the quotes to work properly on my previous post...now I'm going to get a telling off message in my in box again!
With Firefox quoting and editing often don't work. In my experience Internet Explorer has no such issues so I simply switch whenever necessary.

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When travelling with people to go back home, it is always obvious which out of the EE girls are living the same story.
Czech, female and Electrical Engineers???? Tell me more!
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Sorry, I have to risk some groans here, but whether you realize it or not, you are being typical Singaporean in thinking that you are superior to other Asian countries. I experience this a lot in Singapore (I am not Asian but have observed this many times...). In my opinion it is very much like the Swiss people who seem racist when they think they are superior to others too. Just bringing up a more balanced view...
To further add to your balance, similar applies to the Argentines who are often groaned at by other South American nations because they believe they are superior, a lot of this self belief in greatness is due to the fact that Buenos Aires resembles and is therefore known as the Paris of SA, and most citizens have Italian, Spanish, English, German, Welsh (!!) roots, unlike the other countries (except Uruguay, which the Argentines jokingly call "a province of Buenos Aires")
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Czech, female and Electrical Engineers???? Tell me more!
Here..but she is getting a bit long in the tooth.

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I thought about posting this in the daily life section because this happens so often here, its almost part of daily life for me.

Sexism case 1
Stranger: Are you visiting Switzerland?
Me: No, actually I've been living here for the past 2 years
Stranger: Oh! Did you because of your husband's job?
Me: No, I'm not married and I'm here because my company posted me to Zurich.
Stranger: Oh really?
Me: Yes, really.

Sexism case 2
Me: I need to file taxes.
Acquaintance: You mean help your husband file taxes?
Me: I'm not married! I file my own taxes.
Acquaintance: But if you don't make more than $x amount you're taxed at source honey, don't worry
Me: But I.... oh nevermind

Racism case 1
Stranger: Where are you from?
Me: Singapore.
Stranger: Wow, you work here! I've heard its very hard for Asian passport holders to come much less work in Switzerland
Me: Asia is a huge continent with a lot of countries and the Singapore passport is pretty awesome actually
Stranger: Yah, but you need qualifications to come
Me: And?
Stranger: Asian qualifications are not recognized here
Me: Oh really?

Racism case 2
Stranger: You speak English without a weird accent
Me: Erm, thank

Sigh... plus side of things is I've yet to experience overt racism or sexism here. It's still a relatively safe place being female and asian given what is going on in the rest of Europe I guess!
Funny, I am a female, an Asian, here in ZH, but never came across such prejudice despite the fact that I am actually a trailing spouse (though I also have my own study/research, but that's another story). On the contrary, I usually got compliments on how good my German is (despite only speaking decent German) after insisting to answer their questions (that were often firstly asked in English) in German.
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A Nigerian once told me, the first few months all white people look alike and he couldn't distinguish them. I said but they got different color of hair etc. etc. but apparantly not being used to that he didn't perceive these things.
There's decent research and subsequent proof that people are have difficulty distinguishing (facial) features of others that have an appearance significantly different from their own. Caucasians for example can easily distinguish features of other Caucasians, but not so easily those of Asians or Africans. Same goes in every reverse combination.

Nothing to do with racism, just really very human.
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There's decent research and subsequent proof that people are have difficulty distinguishing (facial) features of others that have an appearance significantly different from their own. Caucasians for example can easily distinguish features of other Caucasians, but not so easily those of Asians or Africans. Same goes in every reverse combination.

Nothing to do with racism, just really very human.
Worst cases I ever experienced were the "blond haired boys with crew cuts" in a primary school at which I used to work. The fact that they were all called either Ryan and Daniel didn't help, either. Fortunately, in English one can always resort to "hey you!" without causing too much offence.

I've also been complimented on my English before now. However, the people who make such comments can be excused given that I'm a Yam Yam. The fact that I can not only speak English but also read and write should be a cause for celebration!

Anyway, back to rich people from rubbish countries...
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To further add to your balance, similar applies to the Argentines who are often groaned at by other South American nations because they believe they are superior, a lot of this self belief in greatness is due to the fact that Buenos Aires resembles and is therefore known as the Paris of SA, and most citizens have Italian, Spanish, English, German, Welsh (!!) roots, unlike the other countries (except Uruguay, which the Argentines jokingly call "a province of Buenos Aires")
One country thinking they're superior to all of them, the uncivilised...especially the neighbours, they're the worst. Tell me what's new under the sun...
As I said in a previous post, nothing really to do with one country or group in particular....just with how people are in general.
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For each of your friends I'd be willing to bet there are four or five times as many of the WAG variety. I've often wondered if the reason for this is the macho attitude many Swiss men have regarding gender roles. Swiss women by and large seem to be progressive with wanting to study, get a job etc. Whereas the men can have a very outdated view of a woman's role. Hence many go to the Far East in search of their spouses.
Gosh, you're digging your hole deeper and deeper

After looking up WAG (wifes and girlfriends apparantly). The Asian WAGs? Mould to break? What about all the other WAGs here in Switzerland? Yours maybe? In case you didn't get married to a Swiss that is. Are they some separate kind of species? Race?
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This is off topic, but since you brought it up twice: Swiss law is pretty clear. You can agree to a certain amount of overtime free of charge in your contract (on a 42 hour per week office job, the number is something like 45 hours total per week). Any excess beyond that needs to be compensated either by time in lieue or paid out at 125%, regardless of what your contract says. However, many people don't know that or don't claim because they're afraid of getting fired / blacklisted, and so employers in some industries save a fortune.

Know your rights - the Arbeitsgesetz is pretty straightforward, and there are good English summaries available through google.
Nope. 1:1 except Saturdays and after 20.00h .... office jobs (as restaurants and many other jobs obviously often happen after 20.00h). 150% on Sundays.
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There's decent research and subsequent proof that people are have difficulty distinguishing (facial) features of others that have an appearance significantly different from their own. Caucasians for example can easily distinguish features of other Caucasians, but not so easily those of Asians or Africans. Same goes in every reverse combination.

Nothing to do with racism, just really very human.
Okay, three posts in a row .... be generous, mods, I've not been here two days

Never said it was racism. I said it is fascinating to look at international stand points from different points of view. What's perfectly logic and normal or easy for one does not make sense to the other. And - for example - the case with the English guy was really funny because speaking both languages I should have known what I said to him was BS. Yet my spontanious statement came from my original point of view.
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Nope. 1:1 except Saturdays and after 20.00h .... office jobs (as restaurants and many other jobs obviously often happen after 20.00h). 150% on Sundays.
Überstunden (usually including Gleitzeit) and Überzeit are different matters, as is work during night hours (Nachtarbeit), Sundays and public holidays (Sonntagsarbeit). Only Überstunden don't get an extra charge by default; for the others exceptions apply, for instance and IIRC if work on Sundays is common or typical in a given business sector (restaurants and hotels for example) no extra charge is owed.
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Nope. 1:1 except Saturdays and after 20.00h .... office jobs (as restaurants and many other jobs obviously often happen after 20.00h). 150% on Sundays.
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Überstunden (usually including Gleitzeit) and Überzeit are different matters, as is work during night hours (Nachtarbeit), Sundays and public holidays (Sonntagsarbeit). Only Überstunden don't get an extra charge by default; for the others exceptions apply, for instance and IIRC if work on Sundays is common or typical in a given business sector (restaurants and hotels for example) no extra charge is owed.
Thanks for repeating ............
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Thanks for repeating ............
Nevermind the fact that your "Nope 1:1" is just false.
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***ism is big here indeed
It is not acceptable anymore to see anything like this (they could have labeled it in a different way because tbh I noticed there's a need for some people of both genders, especially after a certain age), but I guess some women do appreciate these parking places.
Besides, nobody forces anyone to park there.
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