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Old 03.05.2017, 13:28
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

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Anyone who uses the fork upturned in their left hand should be sent for re-education post haste.
Having been forced to use a fork like that for the past three weeks due to an immobilised right arm I am having a hard time understanding how anyone could think that it is a good way of eating.
I'm lucky if even a quarter of the stuff I manage to get on there makes it as far as my mouth.
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Old 03.05.2017, 13:30
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

Oh dear. I must confess to being a right-handed forker.

I simply cannot fork with my left hand. Oh my social deficiencies.
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Old 03.05.2017, 13:32
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Old 03.05.2017, 13:32
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

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Anyone who uses the fork upturned in their left hand should be sent for re-education post haste.
Correct, use it how it is set on the table: The nice side of the handle to be seen and the round part pointing down. Isn't it simple
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Old 03.05.2017, 13:43
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

The American way is called Zig Zag eating, cutting up and then shoveling with the fork in the right hand. Quite mesmerising to watch. But then they may be as mesmerised by us Europeans and our eating etiquette.

My mother always found the tender spot on our lower backs to poke to make us sit up straight!! And definitely never elbows on tables or stuck out to the sides!!
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Old 03.05.2017, 13:59
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And I do mean Swiss. Not foreign types masquerading as Swiss. But the Swiss.

They love their "En Guetes" and their eye contact when saying Prost - but all hell breaks loose when they pick up their cutlery.

They hold it in all the wrong places and with the only appeared aim to shovel as much into their mouths as quick as possible with the fork - while holding the knife vertically to prevent anyone stealing their food.

I had to sit through a lunch on Monday with a table full of Swiss none of whom had any idea how to eat properly. It further reinforced my disbelief of when I worked for a small Swiss company and the client facing staff had lessons on how to eat properly.

On Monday all bar the senior manager (who was from farming stock) were younger than me - and I noted similar slovenly when watching some young people eating in a restaurant in the UK.

Are we heading to a world of communal troughs??
And which way did they pass the port? No, don't tell me, I'm not sure I could take it.
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:05
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

Maybe, if the likes of you would have focused less on elbows and the position of cuttlery, you'd still have an empire now.
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:19
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

**Official** Swiss Dinner Etiquette
  • At apero drink - wait for host to speak or cheers. Make sure you cheers with everyone, make eye contact, and say their name for perfect points
  • When sitting down to dinner red wine will be poured. Do not touch your glass until the host moves to cheers. Then you clink glasses with everyone again, repeating Step 1
  • Wait for host to say "en guete" before touching any food
  • The same rules apply for dessert wine, or any time the alcohol has changed or a new eating phase has begun
  • To indicate you want more food, leave the cutlery on the plate. The fork should crossover the knife, this can be at any angle
  • When finished, make sure your cutlery is resting parallel to each other. This will indicate that you don't want any more food. But the host should ask you anyway.
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:22
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Com'on the English/American style of "come dear me and I'll stab you with the pitch-fork"-style and then reaffirming the thread with "See, just like my food. Stab." just to be followed with "See, just like my mouth. Stab. Stab, Stab. Fork in your back."

No, you hold your fork like a drummer would hold his left stick. Light, elegant, non threatening, and efficient.



PS: The vertical knife is a no go.
If someone did what the drummer in the middle does in minute 3, I'd get worried - specially if there were food on the fork.
It also makes me nervous when someone starts pointing at me with her fork to emphasise what ever she is talking about.
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:27
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

There is no single correct way.

Every society has its own rules - there's absolutely nothing universal or automatic. Also every society will find things other societies do as "rude" or *impolite". The Swiss do tend to be quite strict on KecNice's first two rules and many don't like it when others break them

If you're in a different society to your own - get used to it. They might not be correct by your rules but then you won't be by theirs either.
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:37
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There is no single correct way.

Every society has its own rules - there's absolutely nothing universal or automatic. Also every society will find things other societies do as "rude" or *impolite". The Swiss do tend to be quite strict on KecNice's first two rules and many don't like it when others break them

If you're in a different society to your own - get used to it. They might not be correct by your rules but then you won't be by theirs either.

When you invite people around for a meal - should you follow their rules - or your own? And does it depend on what country you are in?


To be honest, the basic Swiss rules quoted earlier are exactly the same as English ones - apart from the physical glass chinking and the exact terminology used.
Almost anything else is considered bad manners anyway if you are into that sort of thing. *

* And let's face it, if six out of ten UK meals are eaten like slobs in front of the TV anyway - who the hell are we to criticise Swiss table manners?
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:42
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

I remember a few of the first lunches I had in Zurich with an international group at ETH.

English was of course the spoken language, and the one poor Swiss guy was extremely flustered and visibly experiencing an existential crisis: He needed to stay 'En Guete' before he could commence eating, but didn't know what to say in English--and nobody else seemed to care!!

He ended up blurting out a comical ENNNNN...joy! And happily started eating. I always do that now, and always get a kick out of it.


ENNNNN....joy!
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Old 03.05.2017, 14:45
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

I don't really care for elegance when eating as long as people aren't noisy.

We have kids over often and I feel like a horrid annoying rare parent who actually minds her kid eating in a decent way, not bothering others .

To have a few 10yr olds around and have them eat like 2yr olds, in complete oblivion, is a strange experience. Neanderthals.

I think it is a trend, leaving your enfant roi behave as he/she wants at the table, congratulating him/her that he/she actually eats at least something

That said, with adults here, people are polite and eat well. Never had a problem.
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Old 03.05.2017, 15:13
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

Larson really had some nick in table manners. Interestingly, many American, some English, but rarely French Videos on Youtube on this topic.

Here some interesting German video, by no other than Freiherr von Knigge Loriot







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Re: Swiss Table Manners

Once, in the canteen, a Swiss colleague picked up his plate and started wiping the sauce off it, with his finger.
Then he sucked his finger and repeated the process.

Is this a polite eating technique?
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Once, in the canteen, a Swiss colleague picked up his plate and started wiping the sauce off it, with his finger.
Then he sucked his finger and repeated the process.

Is this a polite eating technique?
No, imagine you handle paperwork after this?!

Polite is to lick the plate clean. Without making much noise.
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And I do mean Swiss. Not foreign types masquerading as Swiss. But the Swiss... and I noted similar slovenly when watching some young people eating in a restaurant in the UK.


I do find it disgraceful how the vulgar uncouth Swiss..."and I do mean Swiss" are to be found all over the world demonstrating their lack of etiquette...
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Re: Swiss Table Manners

Here's quite an interesting radio series by David Mitchell on manners.

He makes the good point that manners are there to make other people comfortable, etiquette on the other hand is there to make others/outsiders feel uncomfortable.
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