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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

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Nonsense. What's insecure about stating descendancy?
It's not nonsense at all, I have heard it many times over the last 8 years and it's the context of the way it is added that makes me think the way I do. Why not just say "I'm Swiss" and leave it there, why does there need to be a "but" at the end when someone was born and raised here for three generations? I only asked if they were Swiss, not what their family lineage was. They often tack it on at the end as though while they are happy to have been born and raised here, they are not happy or proud to be thought of as 'just Swiss'.

If you haven't noticed it then fine, but I certainly and consistently have, my friends have noticed it too, and I am not someone who reads something into nothing on a regular basis.

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CH was invaded throughout the centuries and also a ton of people immigrated to here. Even people "of longer Swiss lineage" are probably foreigners if they go back some generations.
Way to completely miss the context of the discussion. Explains a lot.

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Old 19.05.2017, 12:45
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Yes, Richdog, I have also heard people say this. In Swiss-German, there is an expression for it: "Papierlischwiizer", which means Swiss only on paper.

I think some say "Swiss but from.... " to affirm their mixed cultures.
Others say it because while they're relieved to be able to tick CH on any form, they don't really identify with being "from here".
Yet others feel inferior in that they feel their Swissness is not a full, as top-grade as those decendent from Swiss parents and grandparents.
Some say it as an excuse, in advance, meaning: "so you can't expect me to understand the system here fully".
Some want to be acknowledged as someone who wasn't born with all the priviledge of that red-and-white-cross spoon in their mouth, but have put in a lot of effort to become Swiss.

Whatever their reasons, I can affirm that I, too, have often heard naturlized Swiss, or their [adult] children, stating their decendency.
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Old 19.05.2017, 12:48
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It's not nonsense at all, I have heard it many times over the last 8 years and it's the context of the way it is added that makes me think the way I do. Why not just say "I'm Swiss" and leave it there, why does there need to be a "but" at the end when someone was born and raised here for three generations? I only asked if they were Swiss, not what their family lineage was. They often tack it on at the end as though while they are happy to have been born and raised here, they are not happy to be thought of as 'just Swiss'.

If you haven't noticed it then fine, but I certainly and consistently have, my friends have noticed it too, and I am not someone who reads something into nothing on a regular basis.
My grandfather came to the UK. I grew up there and so feel 100% English. But the confusion over my surname is compounded by the spelling having been modified, so its origin is not immediately obvious. When people see my surname they get curious, and may feel uncomfortable asking. So this is a snippet of information that I share freely, to save them the embarrassment of asking. But that doesn't mean that it matters to me, or that it's something that is especially defining in my identity.

I guess there are many many others in a similar situation.
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CH was invaded throughout the centuries and also a ton of people immigrated to here. Even people "of longer Swiss lineage" are probably foreigners if they go back some generations.
As is pretty much every American, Australian, a lot of French and so on. In most cases it's also much more recent. Everybody is a 'foreigner' if uoi go back long enough. When does 'real' Swiss/Brit/German/American/whatever start? And why does it matter?
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Richdog, it is true of the Swiss I know, too. It reminds me of the Americans obsessed with their genealogical tree. If one isn't a Müller, Schmidt, Frei, or some other common name, then it starts...and I'm talking of those who have been here for several generations who I've witnessed doing this.
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Old 19.05.2017, 12:57
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I expected everybody to dislike me due to coming from ex-communism country and wearing a T-shirt with Putin's face on it.
I am Eastern European, never had anyone dislike me because of this, however I immediately dislike people irrelevant of where they come from if they have a t-shirt with a dictator on it. Whether that's Putin, Castro, Che Guevara is irrelevant.
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Old 19.05.2017, 13:04
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Really Swiss should open more. Maybe they should go on Holidays in Yougoslavia, their car is already there...
Have been to most of these areas within visiting UN / Swiss related missions - and can confirm that
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At least others say clearly "nur CH-Burger".
Well, if they are looking for burgers to inhabit the property, then it's clear that they have a problem, not you
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Well, if they are looking for burgers to inhabit the property, then it's clear that they have a problem, not you
I bet Burger don't rent,
of course Bürger, the plural is nasty
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It's not nonsense at all, I have heard it many times over the last 8 years and it's the context of the way it is added that makes me think the way I do. Why not just say "I'm Swiss" and leave it there, why does there need to be a "but" at the end when someone was born and raised here for three generations? I only asked if they were Swiss, not what their family lineage was. They often tack it on at the end as though while they are happy to have been born and raised here, they are not happy or proud to be thought of as 'just Swiss'.

If you haven't noticed it then fine, but I certainly and consistently have, my friends have noticed it too, and I am not someone who reads something into nothing on a regular basis.
I always tack it on, 'cos my Swiss German still sucks after 20+ years
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Old 19.05.2017, 14:16
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[I]......To my suprise, I have found Americans to be one most considerate people ever, regardless of coming from the opposite regime with ruthless history. No judgemental BS, no tensions on personal level, nothing......
The standard American apporach is friendly, relaxed, casual, saying loads and loads of nice things one should not build his/her expectations on. It sounds prejudice, I know, but I grew up with Americans and observed it a lot. I think it's their upbringing - or culture - or what ever and it's quite alright with me as it's definitely a better way to meet the world than the European style which is more like checking people out whether they're worth ones time - unfortunately often deciding quickly and unfunded that they're not

Still, if you think you have those many, many, American friends you will learn that many are easy come, easy go. With the real ones that stay it's the same - time and energy consuming - procedure as with any good friends.

Still, travelling or moving to a foreign country it's a lot more pleasant to come accross the American style than the Swiss style, no doubt.
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

And America's building a wall to celebrate its cultural openness towards their neighbors.
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The standard American approach is friendly, relaxed, casual, saying loads and loads of nice things one should not build his/her expectations on.
Not if you're from New England.

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I am Eastern European, never had anyone dislike me because of this, however I immediately dislike people irrelevant of where they come from if they have a t-shirt with a dictator on it. Whether that's Putin, Castro, Che Guevara is irrelevant.
Guevara wasn't a dictator, just a sociopathic murderer.

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The standard American apporach is friendly, relaxed, casual, saying loads and loads of nice things one should not build his/her expectations on. It sounds prejudice, I know, but I grew up with Americans and observed it a lot. I think it's their upbringing - or culture - or what ever and it's quite alright with me as it's definitely a better way to meet the world than the European style which is more like checking people out whether they're worth ones time - unfortunately often deciding quickly and unfunded that they're not

Still, if you think you have those many, many, American friends you will learn that many are easy come, easy go. With the real ones that stay it's the same - time and energy consuming - procedure as with any good friends.

Still, travelling or moving to a foreign country it's a lot more pleasant to come accross the American style than the Swiss style, no doubt.
Don't want to down-thumb you on this, 'cos otherwise find you really OK. But this post ...
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And America's building a wall to celebrate its cultural openness towards their neighbors.
Rounds up the picture nicely.
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Rounds up the picture nicely.
Yup, agree
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I always tack it on, 'cos my Swiss German still sucks after 20+ years
It's weird with Italian, most can't place my accent and think that I'm either Swiss-German (which I am, on paper) or from one of the non-Italian speaking parts of Italy, very rare that they figure out that I'm a native English speaker.

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It's weird with Italian, most can't place my accent and think that I'm either Swiss-German (which I am, on paper) or from one of the non-Italian speaking parts of Italy, very rare that they figure out that I'm a native English speaker.

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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Anyone who sports a look that makes it apparent they are from European countries to the East of Vienna, from Middle East, Africa and the part of Far East that is not Japan and says they are not looked down on at least once a week is lying. It is obvious the people in Switzerland mostly assume these people are all cleaners ( not that there is anything wrong with it), benefit scroungers, women married to Swiss men to come here, women married to immigrants from their own countries to come here, so on, so forth.

Obviously there are a lot of frustrated, ignorant, small-minded people here and it does not exclude the immigrants who themselves are from those countries and probably bullied by their Swiss or at least Western European bosses.

This world is full of sad, petty people who get a buzz out of putting people in their places (!).

The OP sounds like an immature brat who thinks women would drool on him because he makes the proverbial 120k or whatever he is making but that doesn't make him wrong.
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