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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

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Because Eastie is a synonym of tasty. That's why they are highly likable.
Oh, so it must have been that.... Nah, it is just easier to be accepted if you're a woman.
God bless the (Swiss) women first of all, because they can be really good friends.
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Oh, so it must have been that.... Nah, it is just easier to be accepted if you're a woman.
God bless the (Swiss) women first of all, because they can be really good friends.
IMHO, the Eastern European women have much easier ride here in CH than their counterparts EU men, because the former can make good wives i.e. caretaking, moral, faithful and family oriented.

[sarcastic stereotypical mode ON]

"Whereas the EU boys only know how to open bottles of sliwowica und vodka and drink throughout the day to their own misery."

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From my observations, Eastie men have a more difficult time being accepted than Eastie women in Switzerland. But before I expand on this premise, could we first determine what the term "Eastie" exactly encompasses?
Anywhere east of the Rhein?

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From my observations, Eastie men have a more difficult time being accepted than Eastie women in Switzerland. But before I expand on this premise, could we first determine what the term "Eastie" exactly encompasses?
that's true in every corner of the world, in particular in CH and it's not a matter of nationality, but gender.The reason behind it is very simple -Supply and Demand - and it sources from basics of human mating rules. From woman's perspective, there is abundance of dicks, while from the perspective of a man, there is scarce of pussy. In market jargon this could be rephrased as "pussy costs money, dick is free", because you pay for things that are not easily accessible, and you don't pay for things that indeed are easily accessible. This can be observed in every day in Switzerland, where I see plenty of swiss-auslander couples, but in overwhelming majority the auslander is a woman. I rarely see vice-versa, but when it does happen, guy is a highy attractive male.

So when you as a (eastie) male complain over rubbish treatment in CH and you receive criticism from a woman, just step away because there is no point in arguing.

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as a undercover eastie, i have to agree.
i grew up in south africa, so my accent is impossible to detect.
i also have a very generic english name, so that doesnt give me away...
i noticed that the swiss people i casually converse with tend to regard the entire balkan block as troublemakers, and noise creators, basically a nuisance or a black spot, on their flawless country...
i never advertised my easty background and doing that in this country has been a blessing...i have many doors opened that are usually closed off to eastys. i dont get the underbreath muttering (those damn balkans) whenever a waiter or a cleaner does something unswiss like...
its a sad reality, but the easties are really thought of as second grade citizens here.

i did take it one step further, and researched it into why that is...
some of the swiss managed to satisfy my morbid curiosity in this matter. while yes easties tend to commit crime and cause trouble (particularly in oerlikon where they are located mostly) the roots are deeper than that.
its because a lot of them came as refugees after the war, with the explicit promise to the local population that they will leave after...instead they settled down (argau and oerlikon mostly) and started doing low paid jobs (construction, gastronomy etc) while not contributing to the "swiss way of life" instead getting noisy cars (bmw with large exhausts etc) and propagating their loud way of life...

anyways, im sure theres more to it than this, but this is what i discovered in my 2 years of casual observance in Zurich...
now this is a very good post.

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This can be observed in every day in Switzerland, where I see plenty of swiss-auslander couples, but in overwhelming majority the auslander is a woman. I rarely see vice-versa, but when it does happen, guy is a highy attractive male.
Bullshit.

Roughly 20% of the marriages are Swiss male / foreign female vs 15% with Swiss female / foreign male. Obviously more mixed-nationality marriages with a Swiss male but far from the overwhelming majority you claim it to be.

You just demonstrated your own prejudices and stereotyping, perhaps reverse racism. Look in the mirror next time you talk this topic.

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Likewise for this post. Everything contradicting your position is automatically dismissed and judged invalid regardless of its potential for validity.

All you do is post opinion presented as fact even though it's obviously anything but. Look up "cultural chauvinism", it's very likely to apply to you.

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IMHO, the Eastern European women have much easier ride here in CH than their counterparts EU men, because the former can make good wives i.e. caretaking, moral, faithful and family oriented.
When was the last time you've seen or heard an EE women grandstanding and trying to tell the locals what's right or wrong like OP? He can't stand the heat so he better get out of the kitchen

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From my observations, Eastie men have a more difficult time being accepted than Eastie women in Switzerland. But before I expand on this premise, could we first determine what the term "Eastie" exactly encompasses?
Pretty girls get an easy pass on everything in life

This is nothing new.
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Old 26.05.2017, 21:44
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Pretty girls get an easy pass on everything in life

This is nothing new.
Only if they're willing to put up with this macho shit.
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Old 26.05.2017, 22:00
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This still doesn't settle the chicken and egg question.

Does a right wing mindset make people under-achieve?

Or does a right-wing mindset merely make people suck at IQ tests?

Or do under-acheivers maybe turn to the right wing because nobody else is taking them seriously?

People arguing this "right wing = losers" argument are implying, or are perceived as implying, that this sector of the population has brought misfortune on itself and thus doesn't deserve to be helped.

This is precisely why the right wing is doing so well, and people who reinforce this thinking and think its cool to mock underachievers are only making it worse.

Remember how Hilary tried to win over Trump's voters but telling them so sympathetically that they were a basket of deplorables. What a good thing she said that. It really made them change their minds. Otherwise Trump might have become president.
I don't sympathise either way, but this makes sense
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I see plenty of swiss-auslander couples, but in overwhelming majority the auslander is a woman.
How can you tell?

My step-daughter looks like a foreigner, but isn't.

Her boyfriend doesn't look like one, but is.

Go figure.

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that's true in every corner of the world, in particular in CH and it's not a matter of nationality, but gender.The reason behind it is very simple -Supply and Demand - and it sources from basics of human mating rules. From woman's perspective, there is abundance of dicks, while from the perspective of a man, there is scarce of pussy. In market jargon this could be rephrased as "pussy costs money, dick is free", because you pay for things that are not easily accessible, and you don't pay for things that indeed are easily accessible. This can be observed in every day in Switzerland, where I see plenty of swiss-auslander couples, but in overwhelming majority the auslander is a woman. I rarely see vice-versa, but when it does happen, guy is a highy attractive male.

So when you as a (eastie) male complain over rubbish treatment in CH and you receive criticism from a woman, just step away because there is no point in arguing.
As a woman, I take offence to your post. It's degrading and extremely mysogenic. Read up on projecting... complaining about things you don't realize you are doing yourself.
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As a woman, I take offence to your post. It's degrading and extremely mysogenic. Read up on projecting... complaining about things you don't realize you are doing yourself.
What's extremely mysogenic and degrading? The fact that you have an easy pass everywhere just because you have pussy and tits? This is a fact, it's a postulate. As my english teacher once said: "You guys work, while we women, choose. It's just the way it is".

If you don't belive it, we can run a social experiment in finding a job. We both take the same CV with same nationality, experiences ..etc, with a difference that I don't have pussy and pair of tits. I can tell that you would beat me 100:1, unless we would apply for homosexual-oriented employers .


...and now I'm stepping away.
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What's extremely mysogenic and degrading? The fact that you have an easy pass everywhere just because you have pussy and tits? This is a fact, it's a postulate. As my english teacher once said: "You guys work, while we women, choose. It's just the way it is".

If you don't belive it, we can run a social experiment in finding a job. We both take the same CV with same nationality, experiences ..etc, with a difference that I don't have pussy and pair of tits. I can tell that you would beat me 100:1, unless we would apply for homosexual-oriented employers .


...and now I'm stepping away.
Absolutely.

Since when supply and demand is mysogenic

This is a simple truth inherent everywhere not just CH or anywhere.
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What's extremely mysogenic and degrading?
Can you tone it down a bit? If you want to be taken seriously you need to keep your frustrations under control.
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If you don't belive it, we can run a social experiment in finding a job. We both take the same CV with same nationality, experiences ..etc, with a difference that I don't have pussy and pair of tits. I can tell that you would beat me 100:1, unless we would apply for homosexual-oriented employers .
You forgot to mention that she also has a brain, something that you are clearly lacking.

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Absolutely.

Since when supply and demand is mysogenic

This is a simple truth inherent everywhere not just CH or anywhere.
Both of you overestimate the power of being pretty (btw, handsome men have it easier too you know) or a woman, as a matter of fact. It might work in some situations but not always...how would one be liked by other women if she was just pretty for instance? It's more about personality than anything else. Or at least it can turn things around a little.

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Can you tone it down a bit? If you want to be taken seriously you need to keep your frustrations under control.
It's extremely difficult to take someone, anyone - seriously, when they get into this mode.

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Both of you overestimate the power of being pretty (btw, handsome men have it easier too you know) or a woman, as a matter of fact. It might work in some situations but not always...how would one be liked by other women if she was just pretty for instance? It's more about personality than anything else. Or at least it can turn things around a little.



It's extremely difficult to take someone, anyone - seriously, when they get into this mode.
handsome male = life in god mode. At least because one can find good looking women everywhere, while there is only handful number of handsome men. Apply supply-demand model to this situation and one can quickly find out, that price of attractive male is sky high. I have few very good looking male friends who bang different swiss girls on weekly basis and I can easily say that they were given 1MUSD in the bank account at the day that they were borned.

However, the main point would be not to compare extremes, but plain mortals, which means that average joe is worth significantly less than average jane. In fact, if you step into shoes of male and ask him how he sees average jane, he'd reply "She's decent. She's good looking". If you ask average jane how she sees average male, she'd reply with "No thanks. What an ugly muthafuwka. Not interested. Next". So much about initial worth that one has by default, if he's an owner of tits and pussy.
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However, the main point would be not to compare extremes, but plain mortals, which means that average joe is worth significantly less than average jane. In fact, if you step into shoes of male and ask him how he sees average jane, he'd reply "She's decent. She's good looking". If you ask average jane how she sees average male, she'd reply with "No thanks. What an ugly muthafuwka. Not interested. Next". So much about initial worth that one has by default, if he's an owner of tits and pussy.
You're right. Life will treat you badly if you're a dick.
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You're right. Life will treat you badly if you're a dick.
that irony lol.
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handsome male = life in god mode. At least because one can find good looking women everywhere, while there is only handful number of handsome men. Apply supply-demand model to this situation and one can quickly find out, that price of attractive male is sky high. I have few very good looking male friends who bang different swiss girls on weekly basis and I can easily say that they were given 1MUSD in the bank account at the day that they were borned.

However, the main point would be not to compare extremes, but plain mortals, which means that average joe is worth significantly less than average jane. In fact, if you step into shoes of male and ask him how he sees average jane, he'd reply "She's decent. She's good looking". If you ask average jane how she sees average male, she'd reply with "No thanks. What an ugly muthafuwka. Not interested. Next". So much about initial worth that one has by default, if he's an owner of tits and pussy.
Man! One can not explain better than that!

Nobody's saying good looking guys are having it bad too.

On the contrary they are ahead at everything just like you mentioned.

Job, sex, life...etc. everything.

It is where males suffer is on average.

Average Jane will be doing all right.
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Solve the problem.

Considering your vocabulary and attitude it won't help much though.
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