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It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

eastie = person with heritage from Eastern Europe

Before coming to CH, I was really in question how my experience with Americans and Canadians will look like, as I expected everybody to dislike me due to coming from ex-communism country and wearing a T-shirt with Putin's face on it. To my suprise, I have found Americans to be one most considerate people ever, regardless of coming from the opposite regime with ruthless history. No judgemental BS, no tensions on personal level, nothing. And I'm never excluded from their social circle, in fact I get invited to social gatherings, which was a big suprise from hard core Westernes, that me, as average Boris would never expected.

However, things weren't that good with lets say, native inhabitants from Switzerland. In many phone calls that I've made in CH before coming here, things went OK in the early beginning of conversation. But as I have some latent accent which exposes my slavic origin, I usually got this question: "Where are you from?". After I revealed my nationality, cards on the table have quickly changed. The person on the other side of line became arrogant, rude or just plain cocky like I'm some criminal trying to pull a dirty game. Every time I said where I come from, it was like pushing some red button. And I didn't even know why such question was relevant for the matters that I was discussing with officials. It's true that I have been asked this question in my other countries, but it was always because people were actually interested where I do come from and further asked how it's there. For most of time, it was a question from curiosity and not from being judgemental.

But in every day life in CH, it's no better. I'm often getting that bizzare look like I'm alien, I get not so good service, and some people show me zero respect, like I'm some 3rd grade citizen. The overall atmosphere is very scary and I feel excluded from society. America is heaven compared to this.

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eastie = person with heritage from Eastern Europe

Before coming to CH, I was really in question how my experience with Americans and Canadians will look like, as I expected everybody to dislike me due to coming from ex-communism country and wearing a T-shirt with Putin's face on it. To my suprise, I have found Americans to be one most considerate people ever, regardless of coming from the opposite regime with ruthless history. No judgemental BS, no tensions on personal level, nothing. And I'm never excluded from their social circle, in fact I get invited to social gatherings, which was a big suprise from hard core Westernes, that me, as average Boris would never expected.

However, things weren't that good with lets say, native inhabitants from Switzerland. In many phone calls that I've made in CH before coming here, things went OK in the early beginning of conversation. But as I have some latent accent which exposes my slavic origin, I usually got this question: "Where are you from?". After I revealed my nationality, cards on the table have quickly changed. The person on the other side of line became arrogant, rude or just plain cocky like I'm some criminal trying to pull a dirty game. Every time I said where I come from, it was like pushing some red button. And I didn't even know why such question was relevant for the matters that I was discussing with officials. It's true that I have been asked this question in my other countries, but it was always because people were actually interested where I do come from and further asked how it's there. For most of time, it was a question from curiosity and not from being judgemental.

But in every day life in CH, it's no better. I'm often getting that bizzare look like I'm alien, I get not so good service, and some people show me zero respect, like I'm some 3rd grade citizen. The overall atmosphere is very scary and I feel excluded from society. America is heaven compared to this.

just my two cents.
Didn´t you say in another post that looks were everything and you were that laughing glorious banker???? How come that suddenly doesn´t work for you anymore??
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

If you conclude that "Yanks good, Swissies bad" you are actually falling into the very same hole that you are complaining of in others.

Without wanting to sound patronising, I'm sure you mean well, but please do think about that.
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

You're a day early, my friend. It's Friday tomorrow...
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Didn´t you say in another post that looks were everything and you were that laughing glorious banker???? How come that suddenly doesn´t work for you anymore??
dude, that stuff had some truth in it, but otherwise it was meant as entertainment.

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You're a day early, my friend. It's Friday tomorrow...
i have communist calendar. in soviet russia, thursday is friday.

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dude, that stuff had some truth in it, but otherwise it was meant as entertainment.
Aha, oh, hahaha
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i have communist calendar. in soviet russia, thursday is friday.
That must get confusing. Well, enjoy.
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Aha, oh, hahaha
Yeah, dude.
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Lot's of jobs have been moved to Eastern Europe.

I can imagine people being angry because:

- maybe their old job is not in Warsaw or Bukarest
- maybe an ex-coworkers's job is now in Warsaw or Bukarest
- maybe they pay you Swiss prices and then realize that the service is fulfilled from Warsaw or Bukarest
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eastie = person with heritage from Eastern Europe
My wife is an eastie, but her great grandfather came here as a political refugee in in 1865 (born in 1843 in Russia/Poland).

And became Swiss in 1872.

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My wife is an eastie, but her great grandfather came here as a political refugee in in 1865 (born in 1843 in Russia/Poland).

And became Swiss in 1872.

Tom
My grandfather fled the Russian revolution, and I've ended up here - am I an eastie
Felt so much like a Swissie (but we don't wear Putin t-shirts, unless making a certain statement - usually together with Trump)
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

If I were you, I'd stop wearing Putin supporter t-shirts, and looking for your only contacts / friends in Switzerland from the US. That could expand your horizons quite a bit!


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eastie = person with heritage from Eastern Europe

Before coming to CH, I was really in question how my experience with Americans and Canadians will look like, as I expected everybody to dislike me due to coming from ex-communism country and wearing a T-shirt with Putin's face on it. To my suprise, I have found Americans to be one most considerate people ever, regardless of coming from the opposite regime with ruthless history. No judgemental BS, no tensions on personal level, nothing. And I'm never excluded from their social circle, in fact I get invited to social gatherings, which was a big suprise from hard core Westernes, that me, as average Boris would never expected.

However, things weren't that good with lets say, native inhabitants from Switzerland. In many phone calls that I've made in CH before coming here, things went OK in the early beginning of conversation. But as I have some latent accent which exposes my slavic origin, I usually got this question: "Where are you from?". After I revealed my nationality, cards on the table have quickly changed. The person on the other side of line became arrogant, rude or just plain cocky like I'm some criminal trying to pull a dirty game. Every time I said where I come from, it was like pushing some red button. And I didn't even know why such question was relevant for the matters that I was discussing with officials. It's true that I have been asked this question in my other countries, but it was always because people were actually interested where I do come from and further asked how it's there. For most of time, it was a question from curiosity and not from being judgemental.

But in every day life in CH, it's no better. I'm often getting that bizzare look like I'm alien, I get not so good service, and some people show me zero respect, like I'm some 3rd grade citizen. The overall atmosphere is very scary and I feel excluded from society. America is heaven compared to this.

just my two cents.
Americans are pretty confident that they are who they are culturally. Switzerland is basically half way between the western Anglophone-area world and eastern European and Asia minor world. The high level of insecurity is why they act this way; it reflects an anxiety that they are no different to you and therefore not superior.
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Americans are pretty confident that they are who they are culturally. Switzerland is basically half way between the western Anglophone-area world and eastern European and Asia minor world. The high level of insecurity is why they act this way; it reflects an anxiety that they are no different to you and therefore not superior.
lol what?
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Feel free to move to the US if you dont like it here.

I have quite some male friends from "the East" and all of them like it here (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria)

Guess its the old "how you call into the forest it calls out again" thingy..
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Americans are pretty confident that they are who they are culturally. Switzerland is basically half way between the western Anglophone-area world and eastern European and Asia minor world. The high level of insecurity is why they act this way; it reflects an anxiety that they are no different to you and therefore not superior.



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Americans are pretty confident that they are who they are culturally.
Now that's a scary thought!

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Americans are pretty confident that they are who they are culturally. Switzerland is basically half way between the western Anglophone-area world and eastern European and Asia minor world. The high level of insecurity is why they act this way; it reflects an anxiety that they are no different to you and therefore not superior.
Amusingly enough I have noted insecurity in Swiss culture with regards to identity, but almost always Swiss-born people of immigrant heritage. Rather than say "I'm Swiss", 9/10 they inevitably say "I'm Swiss Italian" or "Swiss but originally Serbian", or some variant of this, as though they are a little embarassed by the notion of being purely Swiss and so have to point out that they have some additional flavours.

I haven't yet noted the same insecure behaviour in people of longer Swiss lineage.
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Re: It sucks to be eastie in Switzerland

Ehh, what kind of people have you been speaking to??

Maybe you do not project enough self-confidence?? Just saying.

I never noticed this (ok, maybe once or twice). And I am a Russian woman. But then I don't give a duck - whoever has a problem can feel free to keep it.
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But in every day life in CH, it's no better. I'm often getting that bizzare look like I'm alien, I get not so good service, and some people show me zero respect, like I'm some 3rd grade citizen. The overall atmosphere is very scary and I feel excluded from society. America is heaven compared to this.

just my two cents.
LOL. Then stop worrying, you are not alone. Also "westies", "centries", "southists", and even "northernists" get that. In fact probably even Swiss themselves are getting not so good service.

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