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I don't like it here

Hi everyone, this will be a bit of a rant.

So, I actually am from Switzerland. Lived here my entire life.
I've always felt "different" from my friends and school colleagues, even as a little kid. I still do. Never liked any of the same activities, never impressed with the scenery and looks (it is beautiful don't get me wrong, but just had enough of it), lifestyle, people,...

As a young teen I knew what I liked. Skating, surfing, playing music (I play guitar), driving,... that lifestyle, I think you get it. ...And as you may see, that stuff is really not "available" here, hills everywhere and cobblestone, no beaches (lol), barely any people that listen to the same music,... And, I've hated German since I was in Kindergarten

I took a few months off from school a few years ago and went to California, had a small job there, a couple friends, never had as good of a time ever since. And last year I went to NZ to visit a friend, was one hell of a time. Done lots of surfing and roadtrips. I don't really know if this makes sense and it sounds ridiculous, I know, but I don't "identify" with the lifestyle here. Simply put, I hate it. Even so, that I'm pretty depressed just because of it and just stay in bed all day and drink my weekends away.

I just started school again this week, and now that I'm back home, wow, I hate my life. I don't even want a high education, but you can't find a good job here without one. I don't even want that much money to begin with. At least not now, at just 18 years old. I just wanna enjoy life while I can and not stay at this place that I hate. I would just F it and move, but it's obviously not that easy, especially when you just started a new school that's quite expensive. I don't know what to tell my parents.

I really need help
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Re: I don't like it here

Finish your education/degree, then decide if you want to leave or not.
Switzerland is expensive, so where do you get the money the pay the bills?

Countries like australia or canada have strict rules, if you want to move over and live there, are you aware ?
For moving into the us , you will need a greencard.

I like to be overseas aswell, like music not many people like (Hardcore Punk and Hardcore/Death Metal).
Money is a tool to get to exciting places, visit crazy concerts, doing mad things (skydiving, outback ballooning, hiking in tasmania for example)

Life is what you make it

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Hi everyone, this will be a bit of a rant.

So, I actually am from Switzerland. Lived here my entire life.
I've always felt "different" from my friends and school colleagues, even as a little kid. I still do. Never liked any of the same activities, never impressed with the scenery and looks (it is beautiful don't get me wrong, but just had enough of it), lifestyle, people,...

As a young teen I knew what I liked. Skating, surfing, playing music (I play guitar), driving,... that lifestyle, I think you get it. ...And as you may see, that stuff is really not "available" here, hills everywhere and cobblestone, no beaches (lol), barely any people that listen to the same music,... And, I've hated German since I was in Kindergarten

I took a few months off from school a few years ago and went to California, had a small job there, a couple friends, never had as good of a time ever since. And last year I went to NZ to visit a friend, was one hell of a time. Done lots of surfing and roadtrips. I don't really know if this makes sense and it sounds ridiculous, I know, but I don't "identify" with the lifestyle here. Simply put, I hate it. Even so, that I'm pretty depressed just because of it and just stay in bed all day and drink my weekends away.

I just started school again this week, and now that I'm back home, wow, I hate my life. I don't even want a high education, but you can't find a good job here without one. I don't even want that much money to begin with. At least not now, at just 18 years old. I just wanna enjoy life while I can and not stay at this place that I hate. I would just F it and move, but it's obviously not that easy, especially when you just started a new school that's quite expensive. I don't know what to tell my parents.

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Go to Spain Majorca you will fit right in or if you want that US feel try an american island colony like Hawaii or the Marshall islands which was interestingly once German
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Finish your education and during the holidays go to nice places and rent a surfboard. The older you in future will be very thankful that the young you chose to get nice papers.

After your education you can basically choose out of two things:

Earn a living inhere and use the high Swiss income for the most amazing holidays you can think of. Or leave Switzerland and find a job elsewhere and be able to surf more, but likely lack the money to go on amazing holidays a couple of times a year.
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Finish your education and during the holidays go to nice places and rent a surfboard. The older you in future will be very thankful that the young you chose to get nice papers.

After your education you can basically choose out of two things:

Earn a living inhere and use the high Swiss income for the most amazing holidays you can think of. Or leave Switzerland and find a job elsewhere and be able to surf more, but likely lack the money to go on amazing holidays a couple of times a year.
i agree - Education will give you a future and a job but so can many other things. For now use your dreams as an incentive for doing good at university. Maybe even study abroad?
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Go to Spain Majorca you will fit right in or if you want that US feel try an american island colony like Hawaii or the Marshall islands which was interestingly once German
Um, I know geography isn't everyone's strong point but...

Hawaii is not a colony. It's a state - the 50th state admitted to the United States of America, in 1959.

The Marshall Islands are neither American nor a colony, although they used to belong to the U.S. under the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands. Since 1986 they're an independent Republic (i.e. their own country).

HTH

Edit - Managed to delete a bunch of other stuff I'd typed. OP - part of growing up is realizing sometimes you have to do stuff you don't like. Living places you don't like. Dealing with people you really don't like. So you sound like a normal teen to me. Try to deal with some of the stuff you don't like now, and start look into studying abroad again. But do think about what you want to do with your life. No time like the present to get on the path to what you'd really like to do.

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Um, I know geography isn't everyone's strong point but...

Hawaii is not a colony. It's a state - the 50th state admitted to the United States of America, in 1959.

The Marshall Islands are neither American nor a colony, although they used to belong to the U.S. under the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands. Since 1986 they're an independent Republic (i.e. their own country).

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none the less you will find Americans there.
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none the less you will find Americans there.
I heard about that, those pesky Americans seem to be everywhere in their "states".
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none the less you will find Americans there.
Not many Americans in the Marshall Islands. Hawaiians are Americans, so of course you would find them there in Hawaii.

OP, you could try New Zealand, Australia, etc. Since you're young I think you can get a one year work/travel visa in OZ pretty easily.

Or you could go travel Central/South America on a shoestring, there's some decent surf on the Pacific coast from Mexico on down to Peru
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Re: I don't like it here

Unfortunately all it sounds like the OP wants to do is skate, surf, play guitar and drink. Typical teen, but also unfortunately that lifestyle won't pay the bills unless you're very talented at one of the above. Knuckle down to your studies, go to uni (you could look at doing an exchange semester possibly) and then see if it might be possible to move elsewhere. But US and Oz are likely to be difficult to get into so maybe Spain or Mexico might be easier.
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And last year I went to NZ to visit a friend, was one hell of a time. Done lots of surfing and roadtrips.
Yeah, I like holidays too!
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Re: I don't like it here

Part of it is youth, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

But: there is something particularly special about the surfing bit that is difficult to understand for non-surfers. No one can really explain it.

OP, despite being significantly older, I can relate to an extent, particularly about the lifestyle bit (I have the same hobbies/passions as you) and the subsequent "I'm out of place here"-feeling. I was and still am fascinated by that lifestyle you mention (I know exactly what you mean) - and I was torn between the two worlds for a very long time. Switzerland was never fully "up my alley" either, not in the same way it is to most Swiss. I took time off to travel, to explore that other extreme, and it was great. But not perfect. I know myself well enough to know I'm not cut out entirely for "that other part" either.

So what did I do? I got a great education, a good job I genuinely like and I work very hard (when I'm here). But I travel all the time, look for a beach every chance I get. I work slightly reduced hours at a slightly reduced salary (thankfully, that was an option in my company - I know I'm lucky there) and travel literally every chance I get. This way I have managed to find a "balance" between the two worlds. I occasionally tip slightly to one of the two extremes, but always find my way back.

All I can tell you is this: find that balance. You have time to experiment, so do that - but PLEASE get an education. You may think that California-surfing-living-in-a-van-lifestlye is all awesome and perfect. And it may be, for a while anyway. I have met people that do enjoy that even for extended periods of time - it comes with the scene as I'm sure you know. But it works only for very, very, very few, and past a certain age and after a certain duration, most go back to whatever they were doing before. I repeat: GET AN EDUCATION. You will thank me, others and mostly yourself in the long run, believe me. Your life doesn't have to be in Switzerland, you can work abroad if you get the chance, can be wherever doing whatever, work at a surf camp somewhere for a few months or even a couple of years, whatever, live that life for a bit, but get a foundation and then figure out how to balance the two worlds.


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OP, you could try New Zealand, Australia, etc. Since you're young I think you can get a one year work/travel visa in OZ pretty easily.
Afaik, Swiss citizens are not eligible for that.
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I just started school again this week, and now that I'm back home, wow, I hate my life. I don't even want a high education, but you can't find a good job here without one. I don't even want that much money to begin with. At least not now, at just 18 years old. I just wanna enjoy life while I can and not stay at this place that I hate. I would just F it and move, but it's obviously not that easy, especially when you just started a new school that's quite expensive. I don't know what to tell my parents.
I'm torn here because I have had similar feelings but I will be blunt. You're 18 and you don't know sh*t about sh*t. You could take off and roam, but the reality is you will get older and eventually you will want a nice paycheck. I highly doubt in your quest you will stumble into the equivalent of a 100,000 CHF job which here in the US this is *minimum income* to live what we used to call middle class in most areas (big cities excluded). I remember Zurich rents were upwards of 2,800 CHF so 100K in your country probably does not even go as far.

Based on my own research, your undergraduate degrees (BSc etc) are very rigorous but also very cheap (I think Univ of Lausanne was something like 1200 CHF/semester please correct me if I am wrong). One of my exs was $60,000 @ 5% USD in the hole to work at a preschool for $10/hour. Terrible jobs in the US are now requiring an undergraduate degree, I imagine any Western country will do the same.

My advice? Suck it up, get the undergrad, and from a position of strength in three or four years choose to emigrate. Being Swiss, you have probably the best passport in the world and you can acquire more as you age from roaming or marriage. Multiple passports give you options I don't have in this gilded cage called the US. Enjoy the life around you as you dream about enjoying what else the world has to offer. It will all come, when it is supposed to, I promise you that kid.

PS: Do not drink too much, do not become an alcoholic. My father was dead at 59 because of alcoholism. If I recall correctly, it takes upward of 28 days with alcohol on the brain to change the chemistry. So if you have a wild Saturday, do not drink for a few days at minimum. Seriously. Good luck.
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Hi everyone, this will be a bit of a rant.

So, I actually am from Switzerland. Lived here my entire life.
I've always felt "different" from my friends and school colleagues, even as a little kid. I still do. Never liked any of the same activities, never impressed with the scenery and looks (it is beautiful don't get me wrong, but just had enough of it), lifestyle, people,...

As a young teen I knew what I liked. Skating, surfing, playing music (I play guitar), driving,... that lifestyle, I think you get it. ...And as you may see, that stuff is really not "available" here, hills everywhere and cobblestone, no beaches (lol), barely any people that listen to the same music,... And, I've hated German since I was in Kindergarten

I took a few months off from school a few years ago and went to California, had a small job there, a couple friends, never had as good of a time ever since. And last year I went to NZ to visit a friend, was one hell of a time. Done lots of surfing and roadtrips. I don't really know if this makes sense and it sounds ridiculous, I know, but I don't "identify" with the lifestyle here. Simply put, I hate it. Even so, that I'm pretty depressed just because of it and just stay in bed all day and drink my weekends away.

I just started school again this week, and now that I'm back home, wow, I hate my life. I don't even want a high education, but you can't find a good job here without one. I don't even want that much money to begin with. At least not now, at just 18 years old. I just wanna enjoy life while I can and not stay at this place that I hate. I would just F it and move, but it's obviously not that easy, especially when you just started a new school that's quite expensive. I don't know what to tell my parents.

I really need help
I think there are many teenagers like you who grew up with the American myth. Are you sure you want to live there though? Can you emigrate legally? I doubt that without a job or a study place you can do that.

Lot of youths from back home apply for a study place or a scholarship in the States. It is among the most popular destinations, apparently. So I do understand you....try this path, maybe? But you have to be committed to get an education you know... (which you anyway have to do here)
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Re: I don't like it here

Being a renegade Swiss myself, I can kind of relate to it. OTOH there is likely no return before/without/instead of investment. I would say, go get the best education you can. The better your grades, the more doors will open for you everywhere in the world. The few years of "nose to the desk, shut up and slave away" will likely be very well spent.

And the reason, why we all know names like Angus Young is that these stars are rare; you're likely not going to be one of them. Play guitar as a hobby; I have been doing it for ~60 years and am still enjoying it, even though I use an electric string winder nowadays

And don't only listen to old farts like me. If you can trust your heart, follow it (unless it involves girls that is)
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It's just such a phase of life. Seize the day.

Then wait until your are in your 40's, then we can talk.
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Not quoting as requested, but I hope Samaire does not remove the post because it is excellent advice!

Without education, you are stuck OP. Get a degree, even better, an advanced degree in a solid field with good economic prospects - not citing examples not to offend anyone, but you know what I mean. Use the opportunities to pursue work locations that interest you, which may or may not be in Switzerland, and use that hard-earned money to live the life you want and pursue your passions.

It's very expensive and really not fun to be a long-term homeless surfer in California - trust me on that one.
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