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Old 27.08.2017, 22:14
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

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Waterproof does NOT mean that it's water-TIGHT.

Your English knowledge is appalling.

Don't know the norms? Your problem, not the seller's.

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My English knowlege is fine thank you very much.
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

I'm thinking about buying one and sell it on EF next Friday
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Old 27.08.2017, 22:57
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

3 different dictionaries: English, French, German:

English dictionary: waterproof - not admitting water; water-tight

French dictionary: waterproof - imperméable

French dictionary: water-tight - étanche

English dictionary: impermeable - that cannot be passed through

German dictionary: waterproof - wasserdicht

German dictionary: water-tight - wasserdicht

Pretty clear - whatever language/s you speak.
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3 different dictionaries: English, French, German:

English dictionary: waterproof - not admitting water; water-tight

French dictionary: waterproof - imperméable

French dictionary: water-tight - étanche

English dictionary: impermeable - that cannot be passed through

German dictionary: waterproof - wasserdicht

German dictionary: water-tight - wasserdicht

Pretty clear - whatever language/s you speak.
With so many dictionaries it is easy to shop around (not saying you did.) and small differences in meaning quickly occur.

http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionarie...h/waterproof_1

that does not let water through or that cannot be damaged by water

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/d...h/waterproof_1

2. something that is waterproof does not get damaged by water

What should be taken as the official meaning when a word is used as an Attributive adjective? The internet is not clear, The dictionary's even seem contradictive, and even tho perhaps not clear to the customer when advertised it often means that the object itself will not be damaged by exposing it to water. But if the store wants to they can just point to the Oxford dictionary and claim they are correct, which technically they indeed are since the word has different meanings.

Another one where fault occur is with IP ratings, IPX7 means the object can last 30 minutes on a depth of 1 meter, but it says nothing about the lower IP classifications/numbers and still an object with IPX7 might just break down when held under a tap. Objects that can withstand both should have a double classification namely IPX7 and IPX4

Industry still has a long way to go to get to the point where info is easily to be obtained by customers, and the meaning of advertised words cannot be mistaken.
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Old 28.08.2017, 00:44
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

Seems quite clear to me:

http://www.phiaton.com/blog/ipx4-wat...y-you-need-it/

IPX0 – No protection
IPX1 – Protects from dripping water
IPX2 – Protects from vertically dripping water
IPX3 – Protects from sprays up to 60°
IPX4 – Protects from splashing water, no matter the direction
IPX5 – Protects from water jets at any direction
IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets
IPX7 – Protects in water up to 3 feet (1 meter)
IPX8 – Protects when immersed in water over 3 feet

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Old 28.08.2017, 00:48
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Seems quite clear to me:

http://www.phiaton.com/blog/ipx4-wat...y-you-need-it/

IPX0 – No protection
IPX1 – Protects from dripping water
IPX2 – Protects from vertically dripping water
IPX3 – Protects from sprays up to 60°
IPX4 – Protects from splashing water, no matter the direction
IPX5 – Protects from water jets at any direction
IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets
IPX7 – Protects in water up to 3 feet (1 meter)
IPX8 – Protects when immersed in water over 3 feet

Tom
What that blog forgot to mention.

IPX7 Only up to 30 minutes is guaranteed.
IPX8 Depth and time as specified by manufacturer.
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Old 28.08.2017, 01:13
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

Wasserdicht is just that: Water won't get in provided no additional difficulties apply. Think of taking it with you to shower (if even that). The bag clearly fulfilled that condition as the first few uses went fine, some shortish swims where it mostly floated.

A Limmatschwimmen OTOH may be rather different (I'm guessing here) because you have lots of people in the same spot, lots of good swimmers who'll expect you to know what you're doing including not having any problems with taking more than just a short dive. Further, it may include some jumping into the water which may well get the bag even below 1m underwater.

It's like having a "wasserdicht" wristwatch - perfectly fine to shower with but perhaps no good if you intend to dive with it for that key you dropped into the 2m deep pool, definitely not good enough if you dropped the key into 10m deep pool section. That's why diver's watches feature the depth they're good for.
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Re: Bad experience with Interdiscount "waterproof" bag

The Limmatschwimmen is also difficult because people use their bags as a float.

Which means that the pressure on the bag is changing all the time, tending to suck water through the rolled top a tiny bit at a time. Eventually it seeps all the way through.

That's the main reason why you have to evacuate the air as much as possible from these bags before rolling - less movement in the seam and more "suction" holding it tight.

I agree with the others who've pointed out the technical rating is there to be absolutely clear what the conditions of waterproofing are; when I buy a coat it also says "wasserdicht" and has a waterproof rating in mm - if it's too low, then torrential rain will get me damp, but it's still waterproof for normal use.

(Yes, I know there's no such thing as suction in physics, layman's term though).
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