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All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

Hello, all of here my friends, I have moved in Gland, right a month ago. Me and my husband, We were not home during 6-9 pm at 1st and 2nd week so that deal with rest of things after moving.

It starts to recognized the noise at 3rd weeks. It was sounds of thunder striking the building. Whole of our place was howling with 2 girls running. (Our floor is 1st floor and they are upper us.) It starts after 6 pm... and fades away before 9 pm.

You know, all wanna take a peace after finish working time. That starts exactly around 6 pm. 1st to 3rd day we have heard, we have try to wait until they finished. And We got a pill for headache after all. It reminds me to listen unpleasant music when i stood up loud speaker in DJ club for 3 hrs. For a while after they stopped, it still has ringing in my ears. wow...somedays, it came at random like during noon, cause it was holiday.

Unfortunatly, The building we are living Construction was wrong. Interlayer noise is too much i have never felt in Lausanne apt. Howling whole of place, you guys has no idea. with closed window, it gain more...

First when we noticed this, simply it is their saying, "sorry, but they are so young. btw sorry". and another day, we ask to find solution together and they said "I can not understand why it is problem for you. we have same sound from another neighborhood with baby. even they can not understand if i said my children stop to run. cause they are 3 and 2 years old. you can noticed to agency, That is no problem for us, there is nothing we can do for it."

After We read and read "contract condition" and "tenant rights", yes. there is of course article to be humble as tenant to respect around place include "noise". Finally we got a call agency today morning, (She was a very annoying voice to listen our problem) she said we have to send the report letter of this.

And? What is going on after??? is there anybody had or has same problem with me?? Let me know any idea for this, please. Seriously We are afraid of moving just a month after from new place...I wanna take a rest when i come back home....
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

You have to accept normal living noises from your neighbours.

But running children making so much noise that you need aspirine and have a beep in your ears afterwards? I tend to think you are either hypersensitive or let it get to much to your nerves both are no reason for your neighbours to disallow their kids from running. (you can't even do such at those ages).

My suggestion would be to either together with them check what they have on the floor, or "simply" find another apartment.
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You have to accept normal living noises from your neighbours.

But running children making so much noise that you need aspirine and have a beep in your ears afterwards? I tend to think you are either hypersensitive or let it get to much to your nerves both are no reason for your neighbours to disallow their kids from running. (you can't even do such at those ages).

My suggestion would be to either together with them check what they have on the floor, or "simply" find another apartment.
As "normal" in your apply, i would not have posted here, even called agency. After read yours, i am confused who is hypersensitive at all. Do u have any idea so after what it is going on? Thanks your voice.
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

It's a weekend, so I will chip-in case the legal EF people are not around.

So here a link to similar threads - am sure you will be able to build-up on your know-how - there are probably more if you use the search function. Rest assured that you are not alone in your situation!

https://www.englishforum.ch/search2....ise+neighbours
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

You said it yourself. There was an error made in constructing the building which led to a noise problem. This may be why the previous renters moved out.

My only suggestion? Stay and wait til the kids get older and quieter or move.
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As "normal" in your apply, i would not have posted here, even called agency. After read yours, i am confused who is hypersensitive at all. Do u have any idea so after what it is going on? Thanks your voice.
Nobody will forbid kids from running, and if the noise is so incredible much than a carpet will not solve your problems. Perhaps trading houses so they live under you?

And yes I know how much noise kids can make, (As a parent), And that is not up to a level where neighbours would get beeping ears.

As for what is going on, well you describe it as thunder striking the house, we all know that is an exaggeration, but might still be how you perceive it, which is why I think the problem is not only the sound itself, but also how you can handle the sound.

And what will happen is that your agency will contact you eventually about your complaint and either they will offer some sort of solution, or state that these sounds are to be accepted. If you don't agree you can go to the mietverband and debate with them what's best to do. Or you go to court to demand what you want.
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You know, all wanna take a peace after finish working time. That starts exactly around 6 pm.........
According to your profile, you don't have a job yet. Shift your imaginary home-time to 9 p.m.

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.....It reminds me to listen unpleasant music when i stood up loud speaker in DJ club for 3 hrs.
You did that voluntarily? Use the same mantra you did then between 6 and 9 in the evenings.

This is the Friday thread, right?
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

My advice, a bit unconventional, but it might work. Since they do not understand the problem, as you describe it, invite one of the adults from their household to your place in the evening and one of you goes upstairs.

Carpets can make a huge difference, especially if they are not too thin.

Families tend to live on the ground floor. Why not ask them if they want to swap? (but then you might hear the baby they hear.....)
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

don't give up. There are laws governing how much noise neighbours may legally make, and when, and most Swiss are totally unaware of how these have evolved recently. They are based on Artikel 684 of the Zivilgesetzbuches (ZGB), and may be refined further at a kantonal/gemeinde level. Since around 2015 many kantons have now included "children jumping and hopping on wooden floors" as unreasonable, and therefore is forbidden at any time of day, not just during "nachtruhe". These changes were in response to a growing number of similar complaints. We've had the same problem with our neighbours for 3 years, and with the info from the kanton's baudirection's laermschutzt dept they finally understood that it is not their right to inflict certain noises from their children onto their neighbours. It basically boils down to what noises are uncontrollable (e.g. crying babies) versus controllable (e.g. children performing gynamistics or playing ball games indoors). So, check for info with your kanton's baudirektion, and then discuss that with your neighbours, and then try to find a solution together - carpets, slippers, restrict activity to a certain area of the property, encourage them to play more outside, etc. Once your neighbours understand their rights correctly, they should be more accommodating and less likely to insist that you tolerate their noise. It's not worth pursuing it legally if you are renting; if your neighbours don't conform you have little choice but to leave.
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don't give up. There are laws governing how much noise neighbours may legally make, and when, and most Swiss are totally unaware of how these have evolved recently. They are based on Artikel 684 of the Zivilgesetzbuches (ZGB), and may be refined further at a kantonal/gemeinde level. Since around 2015 many kantons have now included "children jumping and hopping on wooden floors" as unreasonable, and therefore is forbidden at any time of day, not just during "nachtruhe". These changes were in response to a growing number of similar complaints. We've had the same problem with our neighbours for 3 years, and with the info from the kanton's baudirection's laermschutzt dept they finally understood that it is not their right to inflict certain noises from their children onto their neighbours. It basically boils down to what noises are uncontrollable (e.g. crying babies) versus controllable (e.g. children performing gynamistics or playing ball games indoors). So, check for info with your kanton's baudirektion, and then discuss that with your neighbours, and then try to find a solution together - carpets, slippers, restrict activity to a certain area of the property, encourage them to play more outside, etc. Once your neighbours understand their rights correctly, they should be more accommodating and less likely to insist that you tolerate their noise. It's not worth pursuing it legally if you are renting; if your neighbours don't conform you have little choice but to leave.
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Whatever the rulings, still best to try and talk before you start throwing legal paragraphs around.

And who says the kids are doing gymnastics?
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

sorry, so used to whatsapp that I don't use line returns. Although I too do appreciate spaces :-)

Yes, a solution through discussion is the only practical one, but they're unlikely to reach an agreement if both sides are convinced of their viewpoint. One side requests tolerance, the other requests suppressing the noise source. Failing the presence of a mediator, understanding the law can help adjust their viewpoints such that they may not feel so entitled to their demands.

Gymanstics - the baudirecktion mentioned it. I just used it as an example here.

Good luck!
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sorry, so used to whatsapp that I don't use line returns. Although I too do appreciate spaces :-)

Yes, a solution through discussion is the only practical one, but they're unlikely to reach an agreement if both sides are convinced of their viewpoint. One side requests tolerance, the other requests suppressing the noise source. Failing the presence of a mediator, understanding the law can help adjust their viewpoints such that they may not feel so entitled to their demands.

Gymanstics - the baudirecktion mentioned it. I just used it as an example here.

Good luck!
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

I've just spent 3 years suffering the same problem, and have successfully resolved it; I think, given that experience, including having involved a lawyer to guide me, that my comments would be useful! But whatever. Bye for while.
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

Understand your feeling. I would say, maybe it is due to quality of building.
I ever lived in an old house with wooden floor. When I walk, it is very loud. So I try to walk very slowly like cat. Just not want to disturb neighbours. Also almost every night I hear neighbours upstairs make love, scream loud...
Finally I move out. Then much better... Normally it is quiet, unless neighbours quarrel loud or hit wall with hammer..😎


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[/B]enice;2851009]Hello, all of here my friends, I have moved in Gland, right a month ago. Me and my husband, We were not home during 6-9 pm at 1st and 2nd week so that deal with rest of things after moving.

It starts to recognized the noise at 3rd weeks. It was sounds of thunder striking the building. Whole of our place was howling with 2 girls running. (Our floor is 1st floor and they are upper us.) It starts after 6 pm... and fades away before 9 pm.

You know, all wanna take a peace after finish working time. That starts exactly around 6 pm. 1st to 3rd day we have heard, we have try to wait until they finished. And We got a pill for headache after all. It reminds me to listen unpleasant music when i stood up loud speaker in DJ club for 3 hrs. For a while after they stopped, it still has ringing in my ears. wow...somedays, it came at random like during noon, cause it was holiday.

Unfortunatly, The building we are living Construction was wrong. Interlayer noise is too much i have never felt in Lausanne apt. Howling whole of place, you guys has no idea. with closed window, it gain more...

First when we noticed this, simply it is their saying, "sorry, but they are so young. btw sorry". and another day, we ask to find solution together and they said "I can not understand why it is problem for you. we have same sound from another neighborhood with baby. even they can not understand if i said my children stop to run. cause they are 3 and 2 years old. you can noticed to agency, That is no problem for us, there is nothing we can do for it."

After We read and read "contract condition" and "tenant rights", yes. there is of course article to be humble as tenant to respect around place include "noise". Finally we got a call agency today morning, (She was a very annoying voice to listen our problem) she said we have to send the report letter of this.

And? What is going on after??? is there anybody had or has same problem with me?? Let me know any idea for this, please. Seriously We are afraid of moving just a month after from new place...I wanna take a rest when i come back home....
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I've just spent 3 years suffering the same problem, and have successfully resolved it; I think, given that experience, including having involved a lawyer to guide me, that my comments would be useful! But whatever. Bye for while.
Then would be very interested to hear from your experience in you own words!
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Re: All fellas, I am sick of noise from my neighborhood.

You can try to get a laywer if necessary. But just for your information, I heard that, someone in Germany went to court with neighbour due to same problem. The judgement of court is: house of children are normal natural noise.
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Hello, all of here my friends, I have moved in Gland, right a month ago. Me and my husband, We were not home during 6-9 pm at 1st and 2nd week so that deal with rest of things after moving.

It starts to recognized the noise at 3rd weeks. It was sounds of thunder striking the building. Whole of our place was howling with 2 girls running. (Our floor is 1st floor and they are upper us.) It starts after 6 pm... and fades away before 9 pm.

You know, all wanna take a peace after finish working time. That starts exactly around 6 pm. 1st to 3rd day we have heard, we have try to wait until they finished. And We got a pill for headache after all. It reminds me to listen unpleasant music when i stood up loud speaker in DJ club for 3 hrs. For a while after they stopped, it still has ringing in my ears. wow...somedays, it came at random like during noon, cause it was holiday.

Unfortunatly, The building we are living Construction was wrong. Interlayer noise is too much i have never felt in Lausanne apt. Howling whole of place, you guys has no idea. with closed window, it gain more...

First when we noticed this, simply it is their saying, "sorry, but they are so young. btw sorry". and another day, we ask to find solution together and they said "I can not understand why it is problem for you. we have same sound from another neighborhood with baby. even they can not understand if i said my children stop to run. cause they are 3 and 2 years old. you can noticed to agency, That is no problem for us, there is nothing we can do for it."

After We read and read "contract condition" and "tenant rights", yes. there is of course article to be humble as tenant to respect around place include "noise". Finally we got a call agency today morning, (She was a very annoying voice to listen our problem) she said we have to send the report letter of this.

And? What is going on after??? is there anybody had or has same problem with me?? Let me know any idea for this, please. Seriously We are afraid of moving just a month after from new place...I wanna take a rest when i come back home....
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Put this on youtube repeat, crank up the volume and go to work.
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According to your profile, you don't have a job yet. Shift your imaginary home-time to 9 p.m.

You did that voluntarily? Use the same mantra you did then between 6 and 9 in the evenings.


This is the Friday thread, right?

Do u have any problem to read my posting without my information? Forget i have my public profile for anyone since join EF. Are you searching anybody profile first not their voice in post? Very Sorry for you have time in Friday.

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My advice, a bit unconventional, but it might work. Since they do not understand the problem, as you describe it, invite one of the adults from their household to your place in the evening and one of you goes upstairs.

Carpets can make a huge difference, especially if they are not too thin.

Families tend to live on the ground floor. Why not ask them if they want to swap? (but then you might hear the baby they hear.....)
Thanks Mrs, Doolittle. When we go upstairs for talking, We could not check which carpet they have. We will try to reach again. Yes we have talked for swapping apt with them. I hope they are positive for it.

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don't give up. There are laws governing how much noise neighbours may legally make, and when, and most Swiss are totally unaware of how these have evolved recently. They are based on Artikel 684 of the Zivilgesetzbuches (ZGB), and may be refined further at a kantonal/gemeinde level. Since around 2015 many kantons have now included "children jumping and hopping on wooden floors" as unreasonable, and therefore is forbidden at any time of day, not just during "nachtruhe". These changes were in response to a growing number of similar complaints. We've had the same problem with our neighbours for 3 years, and with the info from the kanton's baudirection's laermschutzt dept they finally understood that it is not their right to inflict certain noises from their children onto their neighbours. It basically boils down to what noises are uncontrollable (e.g. crying babies) versus controllable (e.g. children performing gynamistics or playing ball games indoors). So, check for info with your kanton's baudirektion, and then discuss that with your neighbours, and then try to find a solution together - carpets, slippers, restrict activity to a certain area of the property, encourage them to play more outside, etc. Once your neighbours understand their rights correctly, they should be more accommodating and less likely to insist that you tolerate their noise. It's not worth pursuing it legally if you are renting; if your neighbours don't conform you have little choice but to leave.

No, i Won't give up. As you said, We ve heard the laws there are. So We are searching for this with Swiss Kanton and association for noise between nighbors. And i appreciate you sharing history. it helps me a lot. Good day.

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You can try to get a laywer if necessary. But just for your information, I heard that, someone in Germany went to court with neighbour due to same problem. The judgement of court is: house of children are normal natural noise.
Anyway, good luck
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Thanks Lily, yes. it might to look for lawyer in the end. we will try to invite them first, i hope they can understand why it s problem for us. Like the most are saying, we knew this construction is bad and it could be damage between neighbors, i would like to do something carefully as you. And That is why we understand it sounds louder in my place children's sound (yelling, crying..) around us. There is 2 or 3 families more with baby in this building. A familly, they announce about baby, and ask to be quiet when baby's sleeping time. we respect this since we are here. but Our upstairs neighbor They don't understand this point, we need to care each other. It s quite of hard...

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Do find the space bar please?
Umm, pretty sure he used spaces (as well as good grammar). I think you mean the enter key.
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It starts after 6 pm... and fades away before 9 pm.
As it's before 10PM, fat chance of the police or a lawyer being able to do anything.

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