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Or rather feckin E-Bike riders. Who invariably come in in three types: The Yuppie, who's gone for the top of the range model, then illegally souped it up some more by way of a chip. Then you have The Fattie, who's misguidedly decided they're going to shift a few pounds pounds by plonking their fat arse on an E-bike oblivious of the fact that moving your legs in a circle whilst a motor does the heavy lifting isn't going to be burning many calories. Finally you have The Oldie, who's not sat on a bike for 50 years, but have decided to treat themselves in their retirement to an E-Bike "to get them out the house". Probably the most dangerous.

It's a kind of a chicken and egg scenario. Does owning an E-bike turn you into a tosser that forgets the rules of the road and make you drive like a maniac, or is it only tossers that buy E-bikes? When will they learn that being on a bike that can go 50 kph doesn't mean that you own the bloody road?! What's more, being on a bike that's 20 kg and hurtling along at 50 kph means it's no longer a bike, rather a weapon. Especially when I'm sat on a bike that's a quarter of the weight and which has tyres as thin as Karen Carpenter. I CAN'T HEAR YOU! Passing within millimeters and yelling "ACHTUNG!" at the last possible minute is not cool. You are driving a bike, not a Mofa. You are approaching from behind. It's YOUR responsibility to make sure it's safe to pass.
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Old 27.09.2017, 09:29
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Re: Feckin E-Bikes

Most cyclists are a nightmare for us pedestrians.

A matter of perspectives, eh?
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Old 27.09.2017, 09:34
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...Especially when I'm sat on a bike that's a quarter of the weight and which has tyres as thin as Karen Carpenter.
Are you one of those lycra-clad tossers?
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Re: Feckin E-Bikes

Unfortunately you get crap drivers in every vehicle type, and they give the others a bad name.

Also as an aside, if you think e-bikes won't help you get fit then you are sorely mistaken.
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Re: Feckin E-Bikes

To be fair just as many tossers on normal bikes.

What I hate is when you're slogging up a hill out of the saddle stomping the pedals and suddenly some old granny wafts past you effortlessly and being a wee bit competitive trying to haul them in and failing
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Old 27.09.2017, 10:06
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Are you one of those lycra-clad tossers?
I can't imagine Loz wears Lycra....
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I can't imagine Loz wears Lycra....
Luckily
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Re: Feckin E-Bikes

On my walk home, there's a path that is half cycle lane and half footpath, divided by a small sloped kerb.

It's very common (as in it happens once or twice to me every day if I'm walking home at peak time) for e-bikes to come hurtling up the footpath, buzzing the pedestrians because it's beneath them to slow to the speed of a mere cyclist for 150m.

If they're so bloody special and the cycle path traffic is too slow, then they should use the bloody road. Arseholes
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I can't imagine Loz wears Lycra....
I'd have thought he was more the red leather type. The knee length stilettos with pedal click mounts are certainly unique.
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I'm not sure why on earth those higher speed category e-bikes (the ones with the yellow licence plate on the back) are allowed to use bike pathways, especially the paths which are dual bike/pedestrian.

I'm normally one to dismiss occasional idiots as "Ah well, there's always one knob but the rest are ok" but I have to say in this instance there are way less e-bikers taking care around pedestrians than reckless chuffers barreling along as fast as they can go.

I ride a normal bike and am a stickler for riding to the rules, stopping at lights, not cutting up cars, never riding on the pavement, etc, because I know I would never win a fight with a lorry and, if I hit a pedestrian, I'd never forgive myself if I was giving-it-beans on the pavement.
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Unfortunately you get crap drivers in every vehicle type, and they give the others a bad name.

Also as an aside, if you think e-bikes won't help you get fit then you are sorely mistaken.
There are plenty of crap pedestrians as well - walking three abreast down a shared use path and then freezing in panic at the sound of a cycle bell.

At least the ridiculously long and dangerous extending dog leads aren't quite as pervasive here as in the UK.
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Old 27.09.2017, 10:41
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They're not. Legally they are treated as mopeds and cannot use paths that are signed exclusively for bikes.

Although around here most of those are actually signed for mopeds and bikes.
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They're not. Legally they are treated as mopeds and cannot use paths that are signed exclusively for bikes.

Although around here most of those are actually signed for mopeds and bikes.
Really? Sneaky feckers.

All it would take would be a few days' campaign by the police ticketing anyone riding like a berk and it might send a message.

There are also mopeds using those new bike lanes over the bridge at Burkliplatz with disturbing regularity.
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Are you one of those lycra-clad tossers?
I'm one of those so called lycra tossers...and I dare say when I become too old or incapable I'll try out one of the electric road bikes.....but I'm also a car driver doing some 45k a year and I'm a pedestrian...its the minority that give the majority the bad name, don't tag us all with the same tosser label.
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There are plenty of crap pedestrians as well - walking three abreast down a shared use path and then freezing in panic at the sound of a cycle bell.
Agreed, and Swiss pedestrians are some of the most oblivious I have seen.
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I'm one of those so called lycra tossers...and I dare say when I become too old or incapable I'll try out one of the electric road bikes.....but I'm also a car driver doing some 45k a year and I'm a pedestrian...its the minority that give the majority the bad name, don't tag us all with the same tosser label.
It was a joke.

I ride a bike most days.
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Re: Feckin E-Bikes

e-bike riding Granny here. Riding one sure helps to keep me fairly fit. The motor helps a lot but one still has to work I assure you. On mine, if I want to do 60 kms and maybe 600-800 m altitude gain I cannot use the top assistance too much or I'll run out...

I try to 'think pedestrian/horse rider/young child/cyclist/farmer/car driver/dog walker' and do my best not to endanger or irritate any of them. On the whole, they do the same for me.

I agree absolutely that if one hasn't ridden a bike for a while, it would be an excellent idea to take a course (some are run by the police) after buying an e-bike. Among other things, they are heavy. The course shows up ones deficits very quickly. One also goes through rules of the road which one probably didn't know even if one had ridden a normal bike for years and years previously. What many oldies need to be reminded of, is that their balance, vision, hearing, and reaction time have all deteriorated with the passing years.

PS. Horror or horrors - I am also one of those odd ones who wears biking gear for riding my e-bike too!

I shall continue to be 'one of those' for a while yet I hope. Please bear with me if I look smug as I overtake you riding uphill. One of the compensations of biking in my old-age!
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Zurich police had a capiagn against cyclists crossing certain red lights all day and ride dangerously around the crowds at Bellvue. A few hundred tickets given... and I don't think the situation changed a bit. Because a single fine does not change behaviour easily.
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e-bike riding Granny here. Riding one sure helps to keep me fairly fit. The motor helps a lot but one still has to work I assure you. On mine, if I want to do 60 kms and maybe 600-800 m altitude gain I cannot use the top assistance too much or I'll run out...

I try to 'think pedestrian/horse rider/young child/cyclist/farmer/car driver/dog walker' and do my best not to endanger or irritate any of them. On the whole, they do the same for me.

I agree absolutely that if one hasn't ridden a bike for a while, it would be an excellent idea to take a course (some are run by the police) after buying an e-bike. Among other things, they are heavy. The course shows up ones deficits very quickly. One also goes through rules of the road which one probably didn't know even if one had ridden a normal bike for years and years previously. What many oldies need to be reminded of, is that their balance, vision, hearing, and reaction time have all deteriorated with the passing years.

PS. Horror or horrors - I am also one of those odd ones who wears biking gear for riding my e-bike too!

I shall continue to be 'one of those' for a while yet I hope. Please bear with me if I look smug as I overtake you riding uphill. One of the compensations of biking in my old-age!
Obviously not all E-Bikers are bad cyclists, but life would be so much more boring if we didn't generalise I actually think it's a good thing that E-Bikes get more people out and about. And the way the technology has come along in the past 5 years is fantastic. What you stated, and what the biggest issue is, is that many people riding E-Bikes haven't ridden a bike in years. Add to that the speed and they quickly become very dangerous.
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Are you one of those lycra-clad tossers?
I used to, but then people kept on mistaking me for Linford Christie, so now I'm more "urban skater" in my apparel.
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