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Old 12.10.2017, 21:58
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To be fair, some the art found in art galleries look as if they could have been done by a two year old.
True but have you ever seen a child bother to even give it's own art a second glance after producing it?
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Old 12.10.2017, 22:26
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Anyway, what do these parents do? Lift them up in front of every picture? And isn't the viewing angle of a child smaller than ours?
The correct view is with your eyes at the mid-level of the work (this related to me by one of the largest art collectors in Ticino when we were discussing how best to hang a painting for a show)

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Old 12.10.2017, 22:29
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Go check out the Science Museum and Natural History if you can, in Kensington.
+1 on the Science Museum. I've been going there since the mid '80s, but haven't been in a long time. There used to be an umbrella maker across the street from the main entrance. Talk about a geeks day off: Parson's turbine, Babbages apparatus, then a wander through a bespoke umbrella shop!
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To a 2-year old? Seriously? Every bug and puddle is a mystery for such a toddler. And so much more fun.
Anyway, what do these parents do? Lift them up in front of every picture?
Yup, that's it. For one picture, for 30 seconds or a minute, then put them down on the floor again (if they don't scream) and walk over to another picture, pick them up again, whisper something about the picture, this for 30 seconds or a minute, and then that's the art gallery done for today.

I'm not saying torture the child, and certainly not the other visitors. But there is hope, hope, in small beginnings and promises of further mysteries.
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Old 13.10.2017, 10:24
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To be fair, some the art found in art galleries look as if they could have been done by a two year old.
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True but have you ever seen a child bother to even give it's own art a second glance after producing it?
My son's daycare, back in the day, had an an assistant who was a big art-enthusiast and some of the stuff she got them doing was pretty cool.

They did mini-projects on Paul Klee and Giacometti because their styles are pretty easy for chubby little fingers to copy (no disrespect, Messrs Klee and Giacometti ). Chunky colourful 2D shapes for Klee and pipe-cleaner figures for Giacometti.

Along with all the background they learned, they were all puffed up to know they could do the same as these famous artists.

We've still got an early work (paint, sand, stones and beads on canvas) hanging on the wall. I seem to remember a lot of the piece made it onto trousers, socks and t-shirt but they are all long gone

I'm just hoping that his artistic style doesn't move into a Banksy direction.
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Old 13.10.2017, 10:40
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True but have you ever seen a child bother to even give it's own art a second glance after producing it?
They are usually very proud of their work and have been known to ask about them weeks, months or even years later.
Don't underestimate a toddler's memory for things. ( usually the most embarrassing things of course)
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Old 15.10.2017, 18:54
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Re: Kunsthaus Zürich toddler unfriendly?

So, as promised, the report about the British Museum:

The British Museum has indeed a major art exhibition. The exhibition has not been infantilized, though they do have quite a few fun apps for children (I saw them using it and wanted to do it myself - it was a treasure hunt kind of learning app).

There were hundreds of children of all ages inside. Some noisier than others. They were mostly enjoying the exhibitions quite a lot - even those going on school trips - and my not-yet 2 year old loved it - specially the Assyrian part, which tells me he is indeed my son.

No one complained about the noise. No one complained about them running around. No "evil stares". No Stasi-Polizei going after the parents for letting the child hold a bottle of milk. There were ladies breastfeeding in front of some beautiful pieces. There were parents picking their small children so they could show them a specific piece that called to them, while they tried to explain what it was, and why they loved it so much. Most children were happy to listen.

When my kid had a meltdown in front of a Greek statue, the guard came to me, asking me how could he help, could he get me something, there is a part in the next room that might interest my son because it has funny animal pottery. I was flabbergasted with his kindness.


So, to sum up, major art museums can work with children. They can work with non-infantilization of their exhibitions. They can work with thousands of people inside.

The problem is not the children. The problem is of those who think that humans of different ages, cultures, credos or social-economical backgrounds cannot possibly co-exist in harmony with a bit of understanding.

Who would have known that it was going to be the British to prove to me that human kindness does exist.

P.S.: The museum is free. I dropped my jaw so hard I might have broken it.

P.S.2: It only took the boarding into a Swiss plane to be slapped in the face with nastiness. Great to be back!

P.S.3: The National History Museum was equally awesome (as I remember from my trip there 20 years ago), and the Transport Museum is a must for children under 7 - it's absolutely gorgeously made for little ones, though adults are allowed to have fun too.
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Re: Kunsthaus Zürich toddler unfriendly?

Switzerland is the one of the most children unfriendly countrys in Europe.
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Switzerland is the one of the most children unfriendly countrys in Europe.
After all they are home to one of the biggest naggers of the world
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Switzerland is the one of the most children unfriendly countrys in Europe.
What makes you say that
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Old 17.11.2017, 19:36
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Switzerland is the one of the most children unfriendly countrys in Europe.
But those we have here we treat right ..... we school them well and also teach them correct English
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Re: Kunsthaus Zürich toddler unfriendly?

Its more that it's one of the most "family" unfriendly nations in Europe
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Switzerland is the one of the most children unfriendly countrys in Europe.
I suspect you might be confusing Switzerland with Vulgaria.
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Re: Kunsthaus Zürich toddler unfriendly?

So, according to this OP, you might be happier in Uganda:

https://www.expatica.com/ch/news/cou...nd_760271.html
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