Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 13.11.2017, 22:24
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 2,449
Groaned at 21 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 2,862 Times in 1,064 Posts
McTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond repute
Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Driving back from Lausanne on the motorway Saturday night in pissing rain, spray everywhere, could hardly see the road and the central line was blurry because of the spray...cat's eyes would have done the trick! Many accidents I'm sure would be avoided with them fitted on every road.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_eye_(road))


So common in the U.K., are they used on motorways in Switzerland (obviously not in Geneva or Vaud!) ?

Last edited by 3Wishes; 13.11.2017 at 23:06. Reason: fixed link, I hope
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank McTAVGE for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 13.11.2017, 22:31
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Nyon
Posts: 2,144
Groaned at 63 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 2,543 Times in 992 Posts
John_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond reputeJohn_H has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Mrs H was doing the same route on Saturday night.. Said the same thing..

Back from Lausanne around 20h .. Said she could hardly see and there were multiple accidents.. Eventually quit the highway around Morges and found that road just as bad and came back on again.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13.11.2017, 23:05
MathNut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Kt. Glarus
Posts: 4,331
Groaned at 35 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 10,409 Times in 3,153 Posts
MathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond reputeMathNut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

I was told they "can't because of the snowplows."

Yeah, me neither. Wonder how those Canadians manage it.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank MathNut for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 13.11.2017, 23:17
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 7,141
Groaned at 208 Times in 166 Posts
Thanked 12,532 Times in 5,151 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Cat's eyes are largely resistant to snow ploughs, as demonstrated in the UK (occasionally), Australia (yes, it snows there too) and Canada (snow is the normal ground cover in parts of Canada). However, snowploughable, recessed road markers exist and are marketed to allay any concerns on this front.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 13.11.2017, 23:25
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SZ
Posts: 8,496
Groaned at 19 Times in 18 Posts
Thanked 18,597 Times in 5,955 Posts
meloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond reputemeloncollie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Local response to just about any suggestion for road safety improvement:

"If it were made safer people would not pay such close attention and then it would be more dangerous."

After all these years here I still can't wrap my head around that logic.

Instead I don't drive after dark/near school yards or playgrounds/until the road is plowed/insert your traffic accident waiting to happen here.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank meloncollie for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 14.11.2017, 00:02
Captain Greybeard's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sarganserland / NW Lower Peninsula of NE US Midwest
Posts: 3,384
Groaned at 43 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 7,041 Times in 2,205 Posts
Captain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
After all these years here I still can't wrap my head around that logic.
There is the old story of a little Swiss village, where there was a sharp bend, very dangerous especially at night and in the rain. A newcomer almost had an accident and angrily addressed the local authority. He said there ought to be a speed limit at the very least. "Well, you know," he was told, "there was one for many years, plus one of those fancy bend warning signs, but nothing ever happened, so we removed it."
Reply With Quote
The following 10 users would like to thank Captain Greybeard for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 14.11.2017, 00:46
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 4,452
Groaned at 48 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 4,597 Times in 2,437 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
Cat's eyes are largely resistant to snow ploughs, as demonstrated in the UK (occasionally), Australia (yes, it snows there too) and Canada (snow is the normal ground cover in parts of Canada). However, snowploughable, recessed road markers exist and are marketed to allay any concerns on this front.
Too expensive for Switzerland

We invest the money in heating the bridges
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 14.11.2017, 01:01
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 1,878
Groaned at 60 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 4,736 Times in 2,146 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

You should try driving round a town in the UK where they've put those goddam halogen street lights in. Can't see bugger all
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 14.11.2017, 01:03
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,087
Groaned at 23 Times in 18 Posts
Thanked 755 Times in 456 Posts
Meerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeableMeerkat33 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

In the middle double line of the gotthard tunnel they are used. Obviously it's meant to make noise and vibrations too. Anyway in the UK old regulations impose their installation, here nobody thought it was worth the cost it seems. I noticed some new paint stripes are also much more reflective especially with LED/xenon lights for some reason so maybe there are other solutions coming up that are just as good and may be cheaper.

Last edited by Meerkat33; 14.11.2017 at 01:16.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Meerkat33 for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 14.11.2017, 01:16
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 4,452
Groaned at 48 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 4,597 Times in 2,437 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
In the middle double line of the gotthard tunnel they are used. Obviously it's meant to make noise and vibrations too.
I don't know about the cateyes in the Gotthard but they make loads of white lines in a manner that there's a rattling sound if you get on them.

And in case nobody noticed, there are cateyes in the sidepoles which are every .... aSwissinUS will tell you how many .... meters.

And if the street leads through a forest there are green ones on the side too, around here at least. I got the impression those are more for the animals to make them stay away from the road if a car comes at night though.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 14.11.2017, 02:59
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: On the move
Posts: 142
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 80 Times in 45 Posts
MotorsportsNorton is considered knowledgeableMotorsportsNorton is considered knowledgeableMotorsportsNorton is considered knowledgeable
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Don't you know the Swiss are superb drivers, they don't need any help, there is always someone or something to blame for their crap driving.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 14.11.2017, 07:43
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 2,449
Groaned at 21 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 2,862 Times in 1,064 Posts
McTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
I don't know about the cateyes in the Gotthard but they make loads of white lines in a manner that there's a rattling sound if you get on them.

And in case nobody noticed, there are cateyes in the sidepoles which are every .... aSwissinUS will tell you how many .... meters.

And if the street leads through a forest there are green ones on the side too, around here at least. I got the impression those are more for the animals to make them stay away from the road if a car comes at night though.




I do find it best to see where the actual road is rather than the sides of it. I have spotted these fluorescent poles, but they are not as effective as well as distracting the driver's eyes from where they really should be focused, i.e. on the road.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank McTAVGE for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 14.11.2017, 07:55
roegner's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 5,570
Groaned at 192 Times in 167 Posts
Thanked 5,956 Times in 3,002 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
I do find it best to see where the actual road is rather than the sides of it. I have spotted these fluorescent poles, but they are not as effective as well as distracting the driver's eyes from where they really should be focused, i.e. on the road.
I´m with you. They started putting those cat eyes all over the roads in the Scottish Borders and I love it. So much easier to see where the road is, even in bad weather (and I am not particularly good at driving at night)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 14.11.2017, 08:00
Carlos R's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Roundn'about Basel
Posts: 7,151
Groaned at 102 Times in 91 Posts
Thanked 9,770 Times in 4,115 Posts
Carlos R has a reputation beyond reputeCarlos R has a reputation beyond reputeCarlos R has a reputation beyond reputeCarlos R has a reputation beyond reputeCarlos R has a reputation beyond reputeCarlos R has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

The orange road markings they put out when doing road works...

About as useful as a paper umbrella...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Carlos R for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 14.11.2017, 08:41
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 16,955
Groaned at 279 Times in 214 Posts
Thanked 12,483 Times in 7,148 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Far as I know the UK is the only European country that uses them. Never seen them on the French motorways and we could certainly have used some when we came back from the UK a few years ago when it was blowing a blizzard.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 14.11.2017, 09:01
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 9,677
Groaned at 148 Times in 130 Posts
Thanked 13,466 Times in 5,466 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
"If it were made safer people would not pay such close attention and then it would be more dangerous.".
Same logic is applied to justify not wearing a cycle helmet or a ski helmet.

Quote:
View Post
The orange road markings they put out when doing road works...

About as useful as a paper umbrella...
Yep. Totally invisible in the dark and wet.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 14.11.2017, 09:10
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 2,908
Groaned at 90 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,804 Times in 1,868 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
Same logic is applied to justify not wearing a cycle helmet or a ski helmet....
Google "risk compensation", there is something to the thinking. However I wouldn't claim it applies to cats eyes.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 14.11.2017, 09:54
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 21,333
Groaned at 1,101 Times in 868 Posts
Thanked 24,065 Times in 11,506 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
Same logic is applied to justify not wearing a cycle helmet or a ski helmet.
I don't use either.

As for cats eyes, I find them dangerous for motorcyclists.

Tom
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 14.11.2017, 10:14
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Nyon
Posts: 603
Groaned at 11 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 592 Times in 298 Posts
Rachel Moore has an excellent reputationRachel Moore has an excellent reputationRachel Moore has an excellent reputationRachel Moore has an excellent reputation
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
... they make loads of white lines in a manner that there's a rattling sound if you get on them.
When these first came out in the UK in the early 90s they were called "rumble strips" and were to be found between the inside lane and hard shoulder of a motorway, the idea behind these was to "shake awake drivers who have fallen asleep at the wheel, warn drivers they are too close to the edge when not concentrating or when the road markings are hidden by frost or snow".


Wee FYI, the cats eye (also known as reflective road studs) was invented in the 1930s by Percy Shaw OBE...a Yorkshireman.


The fact that Swiss the motorway system is also completely unlit outside of major urban areas also makes for scary moments, the UK, again, has a great system of colour coding their cats eyes for easier reading and understanding of the motorway layout in the dark...


* White studs mark the lanes or the middle of the road.
* Red studs mark the left edge of the road.
* Amber studs mark the central reservation of a dual carriageway or motorway.
* Green studs mark the edge of the main carriageway at lay-bys and slip roads (called on or off ramps in the US)
* Green/yellow studs indicate temporary adjustments to lane layouts, e.g. where road works are taking place.
* Blue studs can occasionally be seen and are for the use of the emergency services.



Some may think these are too many to take in, however if you have learnt to drive in the UK you get to learn them all off by heart for your driving test theory part, so not such a big deal!

Sadly, I don't believe we will see such things on Swiss motorways in the near future , cost being the reason.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Rachel Moore for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 14.11.2017, 10:25
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 7,141
Groaned at 208 Times in 166 Posts
Thanked 12,532 Times in 5,151 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Where are the bloody cat's eyes??

Quote:
View Post
Sadly, I don't believe we will see such things on Swiss motorways in the near future , cost being the reason.
Cost would be the last reason for the Swiss not to install cat's eyes. Any country that can heat its bridges and dig up and replace its motorway pavement several times per year, mostly during the summer holidays, can afford a few Rappen for road markings.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where are the best places to post the car for sale? zug2015 Transportation/driving 9 17.02.2015 15:25
Can the cat sense that we are moving? Marz Pet corner 13 14.02.2013 17:00
The bloody cat..... darkhorsedrea Complaints corner 58 31.01.2012 18:54
Where are the Swiss going to watch the Spain-CH game in Basel? Txell Daily life 20 12.07.2010 04:57
The bloody cheek of it Sutter Complaints corner 61 15.07.2009 09:43


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0