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Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

Dear all,

I am writing this on behalf of my sister.

She just had her 3rd baby. Baby was born on 17th November in Hospital 1. My sister had her first baby, as a C-Section but the 2nd, was a natural delivery. She was hoping to have the 3rd baby in the natural way as well.

After 12 hours of labor pain. She was admitted in the hospital, which is normal because she was not dilated until then. She then took epidural after 4 hours in the hospital, because she couldn't bear the pain for another few hours. So far all good.

The baby's heartbeat started to drop so her doctor suggested C-Section. She agreed. However, when they were giving her the anesthesia just before starting the procedure, she said she isn't feeling numb. So they had to give her additional dose, the guy f'ed up when doing it through the spine. He tried 4 times and 5th time he was able to insert it accurately. This was strike 1 for me, but still we could let it go given the fact that it didn’t cause her any pain after the delivery. Baby was quite down in the sack, but wasn't in the position where he could pop out naturally. So the doctors had to go ''down'' to retrieve him. They said, that he was down, so while retrieving him, they might have caused a bit of scratches in the belly or the surrounding areas or might have sewed the urethra but chances are low. Regardless, it should be ''fine'' and sometimes it happens.

Baby was born, gorgeous looking handsome boy. height and weight spot on. Drinking pooping and sleeping.

Day 2 after birth: This is where shit started to hit the fan. My sister started to complain severe back pain. Her doctor and hospital doctors said it is muscle pain and popped her painkillers. Day 3, pain grew, now she was on additional morphine. Gynac came in and did sonography 3-4 times. Each time it was clear that both kidney are dilated, the right a bit more than left. He clearly said, this should be normal after birth. Day 4 again worse and now on more pills. A so called ‘’Pain specialist’’ came in and confirmed this is back muscle. The normal physician came in and said it is normal muscle pain. There was a physiotherapist who was giving her massages through the pain. Nothing helped Day 5: Even worse attack. when I say attack I mean an episode on labor pain which won’t subdue unless a strong, very strong dose of painkiller isnt popped in to her. This is where the doctor said, I can’t do anything anymore. And arranged to move my sister to Hospital 2.

At Hospital 2, the doctors checked her and said we will monitor for a day, on the same day, they wanted to do a sonography. And they noticed that there was 250 ml worth or urine in the right kidney which isnt flowing through. They attached a catheter and the pain reduced considerable. No more episode. Then entered the urologist. He did the sonography suggested to my sister on Day 2, we can do a procedure where they put in a catheter to relive the pressure of kidney and bladder. Day 3, my sister had a Nephrostomy. Day 4 and 5 were observed and she was send home only when she was confident.
Urologists confirmed that her kidney is fine, so is her bladder, which only leaves 1 option. The urethra has been injured, however, there was no rupture which means it got stitched while they were stitching her back after getting baby out.

So her doctor ed up the procedure, but they couldn't diagnose, he kept ignoring the sigs and stressed ts muscle pain when it was something much worse and dangerous and when they didnt do anything, they just send her to another hospital. No courtesy call no visit nothing. He always seemed to have an attitude problem. I do not mind if u ignore me or my brother in law when we ask questions. As long as my sister is ok, we are ok. He was called on day 2 when she had a 1st episode. He said I quote ‘’ This is normal, give her a dose of morphine and she should be fine’’. The nurses were shocked that he didn’t come or say anything better. No exaggeration here.

I am so f’ing furious. I do not know what can be done. I cannot let them just forget and move on when my sister, through no fault of hers had to go through so much mental and physical pain. She still thinks she is going to suffer all her life, partly because of the postpartum hormones but also partly because she hoped to go back in 3-5 days and have a normal life with her 3 kids. She didn’t see her 2 kids for 2.5 weeks except from the 3 times they visited her in the hospital. She didnt want the kids to see her in so much pain. I do not want to let it go. I do not want money, nor does she. But we want to do something. Something which makes people aware and the doctors a bit more careful. For them its a person, who gave birth and life goes on. But for my sister, its her entire life.

Apologies for the long and detailed post. But perhaps at some level, I also wanted to vent it out.

P.S The nurses at both the hospitals were a blessing. Very understanding and courteous.

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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

Sorry to hear this, but first complaint must be to the hospital where he practices.
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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

I‘m really sorry for your sister. I hope she‘s feeling better.

I do not have any definite suggestions, but this is the Swiss Patient‘s organization

https://www.spo.ch

Unfortunately this is only in German, French, Italian.

They might be able to advise how to proceed. In particular, they might be of assistance in formulating any complaints to the Salemspital.
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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

Ouch, sounds like a nightmare. As for the complaint, go there directly and ask about the complaints procedure?
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Sorry to hear this, but first complaint must be to the hospital where he practices.
Thank you Medea.

One of the doctor in FrauenKlinik said that every hospital in Switzerland has a Umbutstelle (I am spelling it wrong). However, from what I understood, this is where they try to find out where did it go wrong, if at all anything went wrong.

I will be calling them and informing them about the incident once my sister starts to lead a normal life. She is quite embarrassed about the whole situation and the bag next to her belly.

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Surely the complaint should be directed to the hospital? Simply go there and ask about the complaints procedure.

Thank you Rich. I will be doing that.

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I‘m really sorry for your sister. I hope she‘s feeling better.

I do not have any definite suggestions, but this is the Swiss Patient‘s organization

https://www.spo.ch

Unfortunately this is only in German, French, Italian.

They might be able to advise how to proceed. In particular, they might be of assistance in formulating any complaints to the Salemspital.
Thank you Edot. My boyfriend's mothertongue is German, so I will take his assistance in getting more information from this website.

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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

While this sounds like a difficult and stressful situation, does your sister know you're posting such personal details including names of the children? This might not be the best idea on a public forum...
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While this sounds like a difficult and stressful situation, does your sister know you're posting such personal details including names of the children? This might not be the best idea on a public forum...
A very good question and also well meant. I have updated the post a bit. Yes, we are fine with it. My sister is too. Nothing to hide.

Probably just shows what all we went through and how badly we do not want to let it go.
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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

In addition to the SPO linked by edot, your sister might contact the Ombudstelle für das Spitalwesen des Kantons Bern

http://www.ombudsstelle-spitalwesen.ch/de/index.php

Wishing your sister all the best for her recovery.

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One thing your sister should be aware of:

The concept of negligence or malpractice here is different from what many of us know back home. Your sister needs to define her goal in pursuing a complaint carefully, and then try to formulate realistic expectations. The Ombudstelle organizations could better advise her.

FYI, it is likely that your sister should be the one to pursue the complaint, not you, as you are not party to the case. Again, the Ombudstelle can best advise.


(Not to paint a negative picture of the process here, but the (few) people I know who experienced what in other countries would have been clear malpractice ultimately gave up pursuing their complaints, as it became clear that there would not be a resolution. They ultimately decided their energies would be better spent focusing on recovery.)

Again, all the best to your sister.
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In addition to the SPO linked by edot, your sister might contact the Ombudstelle für das Spitalwesen des Kantons Bern

http://www.ombudsstelle-spitalwesen.ch/de/index.php

Wishing your sister all the best for her recovery.

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One thing your sister should be aware of:

The concept of negligence or malpractice here is different from what many of us know back home. Your sister needs to define her goal in pursuing a complaint carefully, and then try to formulate realistic expectations. The Ombudstelle organizations could better advise her.

FYI, it is likely that your sister should be the one to pursue the complaint, not you, as you are not party to the case. Again, the Ombudstelle can best advise.


(Not to paint a negative picture of the process here, but the (few) people I know who experienced what in other countries would have been clear malpractice ultimately gave up pursuing their complaints, as it became clear that there would not be a resolution. They ultimately decided their energies would be better spent focusing on recovery.)

Again, all the best to your sister.

Thank you meloncollie. I got the right spelling now. So far, we have focused on her recovery.

The doctors in FrauenKlinik encouraged us to contact ombudsstelle. But when I discussed it with them, it was late November and I was a lot more emotional. But our response to the question ''what do you gain from this'' has always been the same. Responsible doctors being penalized. Nothing more nothing less. No monetary gain.

You are right. I will not be pursuing this but my sister is willing to once she is fine. 1 more month to go.
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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

The more I mull this over, the more uncomfortable I am that you have put so much detail out into the public sphere.

Until you have received qualified advice - and I certainly am not qualified in legal matters, nor are most of us here - I would urge caution. It may well be that a qualified advisor might see no issue in you/your sister making the complaint public, but on the off chance that your posts might end up acting against your sister's case, perhaps some editing is in order.

For your sister's sake, please consider asking a moderator to delete the names of the hospitals involved and any info that can identify the parties involved - at least until you have received qualified advice.


Again, all the best.
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The more I mull this over, the more uncomfortable I am that you have put so much detail out into the public sphere.

Until you have received qualified advice - and I certainly am not qualified in legal matters, nor are most of us here - I would urge caution. It may well be that a qualified advisor might see no issue in you/your sister making the complaint public, but on the off chance that your posts might end up acting against your sister's case, perhaps some editing is in order.

For your sister's sake, please consider asking a moderator to delete the names of the hospitals involved and any info that can identify the parties involved - at least until you have received qualified advice.


Again, all the best.
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The more I mull this over, the more uncomfortable I am that you have put so much detail out into the public sphere.

Until you have received qualified advice - and I certainly am not qualified in legal matters, nor are most of us here - I would urge caution. It may well be that a qualified advisor might see no issue in you/your sister making the complaint public, but on the off chance that your posts might end up acting against your sister's case, perhaps some editing is in order.

For your sister's sake, please consider asking a moderator to delete the names of the hospitals involved and any info that can identify the parties involved - at least until you have received qualified advice.


Again, all the best.
OP

I've also been going through hell since the past 6 months with medical diagnosis.

News is: Don't know whether I'm going to hit the bucket today, tomorrow or in 50 years according to all the GPs, neurologists, cardiologists or many others brought into support. So no news.

It's life.

If your sister has a complaint, then she really only needs to file it with the relevant medical authority. She can easily and best get this contact from the hospital that she gave birth in.
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I've also been going through hell since the past 6 months with medical diagnosis.

News is: Don't know whether I'm going to hit the bucket today, tomorrow or in 50 years according to all the GPs, neurologists, cardiologists or many others brought into support. So no news.

It's life.

If your sister has a complaint, then she really only needs to file it with the relevant medical authority. She can easily get this contact from the hospital that she gave birth in.
Very sorry to hear that. I really hope you live a long and healthy life.

In hospital 2, we had a lady from another canton who was also moved because something went wrong with the epidural. She is to be monitored until 22 Dec, 6 weeks, in the hospital. She kept on telling my sister. This is life. Sometimes things go wrong you have to accept it and move on.

However, it is difficult to accept it and it isnt as easy as she made if sound. Some people are a lot more stronger and dont need closure. I think my sister needs one and perhaps this way she will find it
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Very sorry to hear that. I really hope you live a long and healthy life.

In hospital 2, we had a lady from another canton who was also moved because something went wrong with the epidural. She is to be monitored until 22 Dec, 6 weeks, in the hospital. She kept on telling my sister. This is life. Sometimes things go wrong you have to accept it and move on.

However, it is difficult to accept it and it isnt as easy as she made if sound. Some people are a lot more stronger and dont need closure. I think my sister needs one and perhaps this way she will find it
Thanks GH . Something that's tedious to others of course are many lines of emotions describing what happened.

I completely understand that you are looking for a place to vent, but it would be interesting to read a summarised version - is your sister OK, and can we congratulate her :-)
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Thanks GH . Something that's tedious to others of course are many lines of emotions describing what happened.

I completely understand that you are looking for a place to vent, but it would be interesting to read a summarised version - is your sister OK, and can we congratulate her :-)
Yes she is fine. And yup, you can congratulate her. We went to the Basel Xmas market and had a blast. The little one is coming along very well. The elder siblings are over the moon.
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Re: Horrible Labor and Postpartum experience

I think where the Doctor went really wrong is not coming to see your sister. The really caring obstetricians do that, at least in the hospital where I used to work. Obviously, there are times when things go wrong, otherwise they wouldn't have a leg to stand on about their claims that birth is 'risky'. This would be for another debate If the Doctor had followed up, checked your sister was recovering, debriefed her about what actually happened during the operation and what he thought may have happened to cause the problems your sister may be able to accept that she was one of the unfortunate ones and not be feeling the way she is. The Doctor should have nothing to fear by doing this unless he was grossly negligent, and if he was then he should have done more visits and debriefing. I hope she can recover from this physically and psychologically. I am not sure where they are here, but where I'm from there are women's circles or debriefing groups for women who need to make sense of their birth. This may be the case for your sister also because she was expecting a natural birth. <3
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Thank you meloncollie. I got the right spelling now. So far, we have focused on her recovery.

The doctors in FrauenKlinik encouraged us to contact ombudsstelle. But when I discussed it with them, it was late November and I was a lot more emotional. But our response to the question ''what do you gain from this'' has always been the same. Responsible doctors being penalized. Nothing more nothing less. No monetary gain.

You are right. I will not be pursuing this but my sister is willing to once she is fine. 1 more month to go.
Sorry to hear that, OP. I have to say, though, that while it could have been incompetence, the gyn did try to find the cause, even did 3-4 ultrasounds, referred her to other doctors in a different hospital i.e. didn't send her home in terrible pain as it happened in a few cases I heard about here etc. The communication must have been horrible, but it's not so clear it was negligence. You can expect that maybe things will not be settled to your complete satisfaction.
I wish her a fast recovery, I think this is the most important thing to focus on, and the child, of course.
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Sorry to hear that, OP. I have to say, though, that while it could have been incompetence, the gyn did try to find the cause, even did 3-4 ultrasounds, referred her to other doctors in a different hospital i.e. didn't send her home in terrible pain as it happened in a few cases I heard about here etc. The communication must have been horrible, but it's not so clear it was negligence. You can expect that maybe things will not be settled to your complete satisfaction.
I wish her a fast recovery, I think this is the most important thing to focus on, and the child, of course.
Thank you.

He suggested on Wednesday, a day before he sent us to Hospital 2, that we go home with painkillers and it should be manageable. It was on Thursday, when she was given 2 morphine injection, each on her leg at the same time he thought, this is something he cannot do any more and some one else should confirm if its muscle pain or something else. Even then he didn't budge from the fact that it was probably a muscle pain.

All we can do is try, we do not have any hope of any action. But we will not go down in silence. We cannot just let it go. I can hear her screaming and I wake up in the middle of the night to call my brother in law and ask if she is ok. When we were in hospital 2, the nurses suggested us (me, my brother in law and my sister) to talk to a ''shrink'' to speak out the traumatic experience because we are now cynical about everything. Some may call us weak hearted or minded, but this is what we are now. Trauma to the brain if not less is as difficult as physical pain.
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