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Alternative medicine is plain, outright bloody evil

I suppose I could just leave the title as it is, but I want to rant, so rant I will.

I recently got a bit ill. Nothing life threatening, but extremely painful. I was on some pretty powerful drugs, but nothing would touch it. In desperation, I searched the internet for advice.

The amount of utter bullshit that filled page after page of search results astounded me. I mean, yeah, I expect a bit of bullshit about relief for the common cold or sunburn or whatever, but not actual, proper, identifiable illnesses with actual, proper, identifiable causes. And, naturally, at the end of each page of utter bullshit came an offer to purchase some utterly bullshitty product in order to feel better.

Now, I was just sick and grumpy. But these pages are, no doubt, also filling the search results of actually seriously ill people too. How can the fraudulent bastards selling this bullshit sleep at night?

Is there any defence for what these people are doing? If so, bring it on!
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Old 25.04.2018, 15:54
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Old 25.04.2018, 15:56
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... and while I'm on the subject, what advice would you give someone whose doctor thinks that "go for a walk in the sunshine" is any kind of solution for anything? A bloody walk in the sunshine isn't going to guarantee the future security of my family, is it?
It is if you're suffering from a serious case of the vampires.

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Old 25.04.2018, 16:03
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Re: Alternative medicine is plain, outright bloody evil

Been sayin' it for years
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:07
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Re: Alternative medicine is plain, outright bloody evil

Some alternative medicine and some of it is bullshit, an example of a good one is mistletoe therapy which can help combat the side effects of chemotherapy so much so that it's covered by your health insurance, but if you read up about it you'll also see claims that it cures cancer. There is some evidence that it might help but it's not conclusive, but for helping with the side effects if chemo there is some pretty strong scientific/medical evidence that it does help.

As for the walk in the sunshine, it would help boost your vitamin D levels, would give you some limited cardio benefit .. but yeah in general I can't see it being overly helpful.
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:12
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I suppose I could just leave the title as it is, but I want to rant, so rant I will.

I recently got a bit ill. Nothing life threatening, but extremely painful. I was on some pretty powerful drugs, but nothing would touch it. In desperation, I searched the internet for advice.

The amount of utter bullshit that filled page after page of search results astounded me. I mean, yeah, I expect a bit of bullshit about relief for the common cold or sunburn or whatever, but not actual, proper, identifiable illnesses with actual, proper, identifiable causes. And, naturally, at the end of each page of utter bullshit came an offer to purchase some utterly bullshitty product in order to feel better.
You need this medicine:
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:15
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Re: Alternative medicine is plain, outright bloody evil

Well - placebo and lack of info makes all woodoomagic a total moneymaking hit. There is justifiable amount of distrust in traditional medicine and quacks, that doesn't help, either.

I do believe in correct nutrition playing a big role in our health, even mental health. Long term high level of stress is detrimental, screws up our hormones/thyroide and metabolism, meds and antibiotics screw up our microbiome...and then consequences pile up. Sometimes alternative medicine makes people simply believe that they are in more control which lowers their stress and they have higher chance to improve. I think that sometimes keeping happy via whatever you can is the only way to boost your health. I guess docs here order what works for most people. I hear my doctor saying every time "Slow down, take it easy". He thankfully does not give credit to alternative medicine much but he does give it to anything that make clients lower the levels of stress, at least a bit.
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:18
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... and while I'm on the subject, what advice would you give someone whose doctor thinks that "go for a walk in the sunshine" is any kind of solution for anything?
Seek a second advice.

When my Swiss doctor prescribed me Jacuzzi and exercise for my excruciating back pain, I took the plane to Portugal and saw an orthopaedic specialist and, wouldn't you know, I had an untreated back injury that left permanent damage because it was dismissed as "sedentary life, hysterical woman".

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The amount of utter bullshit that filled page after page of search results astounded me.
You ain't seen nothing till you join a facebook mom group full of "alternative" and "nothing chemical will touch my precious child".

Headache? Essential oils
Borreliosis? Essential oils
Heart condition? Essential oils

Alternative to essential oils is usually a onion cut in half.

Or an osteopath. They cure all. From sleep disorders to autism.

Thankfully the freaking homeopathy has quieted down lately. It might be group fear from the last time I exploded in berserker rage.

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Been sayin' it for years
That's because you are in the pocket of Big Pharma. (Apparently, me too, but haven't seen a dime yet)
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Re: Alternative medicine is plain, outright bloody evil

I generally use of the shelf placebo medicines which actually work pretty good. When it is really bad, I switch to home-made homeopathic placebo medicines. You can easily do that at home by mixing 1 part of placebo medicine with 1000 parts of water (or more if it needs to be stronger).
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:46
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I generally use of the shelf placebo medicines which actually work pretty good. When it is really bad, I switch to home-made homeopathic placebo medicines. You can easily do that at home by mixing 1 part of placebo medicine with 1000 parts of water (or more if it needs to be stronger).
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Old 25.04.2018, 16:48
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... and while I'm on the subject, what advice would you give someone whose doctor thinks that "go for a walk in the sunshine" is any kind of solution for anything? A bloody walk in the sunshine isn't going to guarantee the future security of my family, is it?
It's quite sound advice from a doctor whom you seemingly asked a RAV question.
Now if you ask a RAV person a medical questions you .......... could end up on those websites you just had a rant about
Conclusion: You're doctor is alright, stick with him.

Take that walk because it might give you that little bit of calm and slowing down which you need to stay alive - which in turn will give you the possibility to soon guarantee the future security of your family.

Or maybe it will only make you see, that there is never a guarantee of future security for your family and all you can do is what I'm sure you already do: Do your best.

Start with the walk, breath deeply (no, that is not esoteric BS, that's the basic way to stay alive), get your mind off things for half an hour, then go back to what needs to be done
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It's quite sound advice from a doctor whom you seemingly asked a RAV question.
Now if you ask a RAV person a medical questions you .......... could end up on those websites you just had a rant about
Conclusion: You're doctor is alright, stick with him.

Take that walk because it might give you that little bit of calm and slowing down which you need to stay alive - which in turn will give you the possibility to soon guarantee the future security of your family.

Or maybe it will only make you see, that there is never a guarantee of future security for your family and all you can do is what I'm sure you already do: Do your best.

Start with the walk, breath deeply (no, that is not esoteric BS, that's the basic way to stay alive), get your mind off things for half an hour, then go back to what needs to be done
Also its important to try to be positive and happy (I know that sounds easier than it is, but that definitely helps, watch some funny series, talk with friends, plan a trip, think about a project or something else... )
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Old 25.04.2018, 17:06
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Conclusion: You're doctor is alright, stick with him.
I'm just glad his colleague prescribed actual, proper drugs before I got to see the regular fellow. I don't mind going for a walk in the country (although it's nothing more than procrastination with a pretty backdrop), but you can't beat Big Pharma when it comes to killing off nasty little animals.
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The amount of utter bullshit that filled page after page of search results astounded me. I mean, yeah, I expect a bit of bullshit about relief for the common cold or sunburn or whatever, but not actual, proper, identifiable illnesses with actual, proper, identifiable causes. And, naturally, at the end of each page of utter bullshit came an offer to purchase some utterly bullshitty product in order to feel better.
It cost one man his life in my opinion.

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Steve Jobs died regretting that he had spent so long attempting to treat his cancer with alternative medicine before agreeing to undergo surgery, his biographer has disclosed.

The Apple chief executive, who died this month after a pancreatic tumour spread elsewhere, delayed having operations and chemotherapy for nine months after the disease was discovered in October 2003.

In spite of pleas from family and friends, he tried to cure himself through acupuncture sessions, drinking special fruit juices, visiting "spiritualists" and using other treatments he found on the internet.

Some cancer experts have said that Mr Jobs may have extended his life or even survived if he had promptly tackled his cancer aggressively with scientifically proven medical treatments.
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A good friend of mine who teaches yoga and is an advocate for alternative medicine has a more straightforward view. Use conventional medicine to tackle the acute problem, and alternative medicine to keep the condition at bay.
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Old 25.04.2018, 17:21
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Yeah, I've deleted the walk in the country post, because it's a bit of a distraction from the main point.

Bullshit is still bullshit, either way.
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I'm just glad his colleague prescribed actual, proper drugs before I got to see the regular fellow. I don't mind going for a walk in the country (although it's nothing more than procrastination with a pretty backdrop), but you can't beat Big Pharma when it comes to killing off nasty little animals.
So you were worried the nasty little animals that bugged you would endanger the future savety of your family?
Then the walk thing was not too bad of an advice either. Helps with hysteria, I've heard.
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I just call alternative medicine as natural selection...

But yes, I do agree there should be a better system in place. They're currently not regulated so they can claim whatever they want.
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Yeah, I've deleted the walk in the country post, because it's a bit of a distraction from the main point.

Bullshit is still bullshit, either way.
Okay, got it.

They'll merge your thread soon, I guess
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So you were worried the nasty little animals that bugged you would endanger the future savety of your family?
Then the walk thing was not too bad of an advice either. Helps with hysteria, I've heard.
That's why I deleted it - it's a bit of a non-sequitur. Nah, I caught a nasty illness, for which proper drugs were prescribed. When I saw my regular doc the following week, he reckoned it was down to a weakened immune system, due to stress. Why am I stressed? He says it's because I'm irregularly employed. His solution is to go for a walk in the sunshine. I say that's bullshit because it doesn't address the actual problem. I mean, sure it's nice to wander off for a couple of hours in the Alps, but it doesn't really actually do anything useful. Meanwhile, his colleague had already prescribed actual proper drugs which worked a treat on the thing which I'd actually gone to see him about.

Some doctors are obsessed with this 'holistic' bullshit. Just give me the bloody drugs, doc, and leave the mumbo jumbo out of it, thanks.
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