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Ledig

A Gemeinde, a form, and a Swiss friend shocked me yesterday.

My friend told me "ledig" means "never married". Another Swiss friend confirmed it, and I found the same information in multiple forums.

If this is true, can someone please tell me what prevents more or less everyone from writing a German - English dictionary?

(Note: A dictionary consists of translations of words instead of random word pairs.)

https://translate.google.com/#de/en/ledig

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...-english/ledig

https://dict.leo.org/german-english/ledig

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...-english/ledig

It’s not only that it’s not the first entry. They don’t even mention it.

The only place I found ledig as "never married" was a German - <an exotic language I speak> dictionary.

What the hell?
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Old 16.05.2018, 12:08
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What the hell?
Indeed.

What's your problem, exactly?
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Indeed.

What's your problem, exactly?
In general, living on the planet of apes is.

But let’s focus on the thread now.
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Old 16.05.2018, 12:13
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Re: Ledig

So?

Yes, there are enough dictionaries translating that. Really not sure what you mean
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In general, living on the planet of apes is.

But let’s focus on the thread now.
What is the focus of the thread? It isn't at all clear what your complaint is.
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Re: Ledig

??? I sense you're trying to make a point, I just can't tell what it is???
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can someone please tell me what prevents more or less everyone from writing a German - English dictionary?
Nothing. You could write your own, and so could I, and in fact some information sources online are the sum of contributions of many, many people.

Language useage is in flux. Moreover, it is regional. This ends up meaning that some of the sources are more (or less) helpful for some of the applications. That's the best one can get.

An exception to this is where specific authorities have taken it upon themselves to define what - for their own purposes - a certain word shall mean, e.g. the laws of a country, or the rules of a government department, or any contract.

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My friend told me "ledig" means "never married". Another Swiss friend confirmed it, and I found the same information in multiple forums.
Here's another "yes", on this forum.
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Re: Ledig

What did you think "ledig" meant before you discovered this nugget?

It's not like there's a great mystery involved. In English "Single" can mean "unmarried" or "divorced", in German ledig means neither married nor divorced.
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Old 16.05.2018, 12:20
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In English "Single" can mean "unmarried" or "divorced", in German ledig means neither married nor divorced.
In English, a widow or widower can also be "single".

In German, "ledig" means never married, so not married, not divorce, and not widowed. In this way, a person who has never entered an official marriage, is "ledig", even if part of a couple, and even if cohabitating with their partner.
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Old 16.05.2018, 12:22
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Re: Ledig

So, in a nutshell, the OP has just discovered that German and English are actually two completely different languages?
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Re: Ledig

Much better than spinster, though??
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Old 16.05.2018, 12:23
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What did you think "ledig" meant before you discovered this nugget?
Indeed.

Before I remarried, I was widowed, and my wife (to be) divorced.

Neither of us were 'ledig'.

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Old 16.05.2018, 12:25
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So, in a nutshell, the OP has just discovered that German and English are actually two completely different languages?
No, I don't think it's that. I think that there is a persistent illusion in the world, not just with OP, that words mean something absolute, and always have, and always will, everywhere, and moreover that, when translating, one will find a word in the other language which will be an exact match, having a similarly fixed meaning, for all times.
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Re: Ledig

I can give you a direct Czech translation, "svobodná". Or "svobodný" for a guy. Just shows it exists in many languages. Once you get married and divorced, despite your freedom, you will never be "svobodná" again, your status moves to "rozvedená" (divorced).

Why the shock?
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Indeed.

Before I remarried, I was widowed, and my wife (to be) divorced.

Neither of us were 'ledig'.

Tom
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No, I don't think it's that. I think that there is a persistent illusion in the world, not just with OP, that words mean something absolute, and always have, and always will, and moreover that, when translating, one will find a word in the other language which will be an exact match, having a similarly fixed meaning, for all times.
Well, that's a fàrguellæ of a thing to think if ever I saw one!
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Re: Ledig

Go on, Dougal's Breakfast, illustrate it's richness by using it in another ten full sentences!
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So, in a nutshell, the OP has just discovered that German and English are actually two completely different languages?
Good that she doesn't make it look like a drama.
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??? I sense you're trying to make a point, I just can't tell what it is???
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What is the focus of the thread? It isn't at all clear what your complaint is.
that the dictionaries have the wrong translation.

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What did you think "ledig" meant before you discovered this nugget?
i thought it meant 'single'. then again, i used one of the dictionaries above to translate it!
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Re: Ledig

So how and why does this deserve a "shocked" reaction and how is it a "problem" exactly?

Once you've been married but are not longer married, you are divorced. Once you've been married and your spouse passed, you are widowed. You may be single in either case as well, but your previous marital status is still considered relevant.

I fail to see how this is unusual. Or worth a thread for that matter.

Languages are rarely black and white and can't always be translated literally.
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