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Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Hi, I just applied for a job at EPFL and found that I will not be considered because the hiring process is longer for a Swiss resident B permit holder than a C permit holder. Apparently it will take 3 months to hire me even though I am living in Switzerland and have a valid B-permit. The permit expires in two years, but the job is only 4 months long!!! Does anyone know the process and can explain to me why it would take so long, being that they do not have to sponsor me? Thanks very much!
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Does your B-Permit have the clause "avec activite"? If not, then it only gives you residency, not permission to work and you would still need your potential employer to sponsor you for a work permit. The work-permit process takes about 3 months and generally isn't worth pursuing for a 4-month hire.
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Hi Tox_Rat, yes my B-permit does have that clause. This is why I was confused about the 3 month hiring process, unless EPFL has different requirements/processes than private industry. Cheers.
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Old 17.05.2018, 15:01
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

You are a non EU/EFTA national? Than they must first prove that no Swiss, no C permit holder, and also no EU/EFTA national was found which can do the job.
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Hi aSwissInTheUS! No, I am not a EU/EFTA national, but married to one (French) with Autorisation de sejour (B) membre de la famille d'us citoyen UE/AELE...permit avec activite. So, I thought I was on the same footing as an EU national...perhaps not? Also, do you know if there is a formal (verses personal of the hiring manager) preference to Swiss, permit C then permit B EU/EFTA, or are theses three on the same level? Thanks!
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Old 18.05.2018, 10:45
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Hi aSwissInTheUS! No, I am not a EU/EFTA national, but married to one (French) with Autorisation de sejour (B) membre de la famille d'us citoyen UE/AELE...permit avec activite. So, I thought I was on the same footing as an EU national...perhaps not? Also, do you know if there is a formal (verses personal of the hiring manager) preference to Swiss, permit C then permit B EU/EFTA, or are theses three on the same level? Thanks!
Did you make clear that this is the situation? Else they may have thought you are non EU and would have issues getting approval
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Hi, yes I did, even send a copy of my permit with the explanation. Admin insists it will take 3 months to offer me the job even with my EU B-permit.
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yes my B-permit does have that clause ["avec activite"].
Hmm, according Art. 21 Foreign Nationals Act https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a21
You should count as "Domestic employee".

So that might be something EPFL internal, or they were not fully aware that you are not subject to restrictions.
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Old 18.05.2018, 19:10
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Hmm, according Art. 21 Foreign Nationals Act https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a21
You should count as "Domestic employee".

So that might be something EPFL internal, or they were not fully aware that you are not subject to restrictions.
I had the same problem with ETH although having B permit as a family should not be subject to restrictions.
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

Thanks for the info, will definitely look into it.
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Re: Permit C verses B for EPFL hiring

You might want to quote this at EPFL.

"Access to the labour market
Regardless of their nationality, persons who come to Switzerland by virtue of family reunification (their spouse as well as the children who are under the age of 21 or receive support) have the right to work anywhere in Switzerland and in the branch of their choice. They may also work in a self-employed capacity.

However, relatives in the ascending line who enter Switzerland by virtue of family reunification, do not have the right to work.

Equal treatment
Foreign nationals entitled to enter Switzerland for the purpose of taking up employment or self employment, as well as eligible family members, may not be treated any differently than Swiss citizens:

o Generally, they shall receive the same tax and social benefits as Swiss citizens.

o The children of a foreign national who legally resides in Switzerland (regardless of whether he/she is economically active or inactive) may enrol in general education and vocational education and training under the same conditions as the children of Swiss citizens."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...nnachzug-e.pdf

Frankly, considering how many foreigners EPFL must hire I'd have thought they'd be more clued up on the rules.
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Hi, I just applied for a job at EPFL and found that I will not be considered because the hiring process is longer for a Swiss resident B permit holder than a C permit holder. Apparently it will take 3 months to hire me even though I am living in Switzerland and have a valid B-permit. The permit expires in two years, but the job is only 4 months long!!! Does anyone know the process and can explain to me why it would take so long, being that they do not have to sponsor me? Thanks very much!
Might as well be more of an excuse than the actual reason? How did you find out that they did not consider you based on your visa status?
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