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Racism in Conforama

I was there so many time regarding filling my new home, never alone, never have problem. Yesterday I went there to look around and get out by the kasse nearly 8 p.m.

I just walked through( bought nothing) and the lady there just call me back and ask me to open my backpack. Behind me there were another asian lady and caucasian man, automatically they prepared to do the same.

The lady talk directly to the guy "oh you dont need to do this" even three of us have same size of bag. The thing that she doesnt know is I am not a tourist i could understand what she Said!

Are they allow to search on customer bag?
For example in Saturn germany if they know you have a big bag there is a deposit counter in front and you have to leave it there.

Am I allow to refuse to show my belonging?
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Re: Racism in Conforama

Having your bag searched in a shop does not make the person doing the search racist.
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Re: Racism in Conforama

Well why she said to the only caucasian man that the doesnt have to do it then?

But to the two asian lady she search through. Same size of bag and same bought nothing.
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Old 27.06.2018, 09:39
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Re: Racism in Conforama

I usually go shopping by bike with a backpack. Happend at the cashier to me too... Normal stuff... rare but happens. Racism? I don't think so I'm caucasian
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Old 27.06.2018, 09:42
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Well why she said to the only caucasian man that the doesnt have to do it then?

But to the two asian lady she search through. Same size of bag and same bought nothing.
Maybe she knew him. Maybe he's a regular customer. Maybe he'd not moved out of her view. All sorts of possible reasons.

So why would you assume racism? Is quite a serious accusation to make, and based on so little evidence.
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Re: Racism in Conforama

Ok, I cannot vouch for the way the lady treated - you'll never hear me say xenophobia and racism do not exist here (oh hell, you really won't hear me say that).

However, random checks in certain stores are common. I've seen countless people in the Migros, specially the self check out, be requested to show the bags.

You can refuse to open them, but it will probably result in police being called and then they will request themselves.

I am not sure about the legalities of both situations.

However, it might be easier on everyone, including your nerves, to abide. The lady might have racial profiling being her act, but might also be a random act. Voice your concerns, but keep calm in this kind of situation.

I've been put off Zara in Portugal because they do not allow women to take their hand bags into the changing cabins. On one hand I understand they have a theft problem, on the other hand I feel like I'm in a "criminal till proven opposite" kind of situation. It's an unfortunate situation.
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Wouldn't that be considered racist by your standards ?
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I was there so many time regarding filling my new home, never alone, never have problem. Yesterday I went there to look around and get out by the kasse nearly 8 p.m.

I just walked through( bought nothing) and the lady there just call me back and ask me to open my backpack. Behind me there were another asian lady and caucasian man, automatically they prepared to do the same.

The lady talk directly to the guy "oh you dont need to do this" even three of us have same size of bag. The thing that she doesnt know is I am not a tourist i could understand what she Said!

Are they allow to search on customer bag?
For example in Saturn germany if they know you have a big bag there is a deposit counter in front and you have to leave it there.

Am I allow to refuse to show my belonging?
You can legally say no to any search. If they want to take it further they will have to get the police. They do it alot in Migros at the self check out.
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I was there so many time regarding filling my new home, never alone, never have problem. Yesterday I went there to look around and get out by the kasse nearly 8 p.m.

I just walked through( bought nothing) and the lady there just call me back and ask me to open my backpack. Behind me there were another asian lady and caucasian man, automatically they prepared to do the same.

The lady talk directly to the guy "oh you dont need to do this" even three of us have same size of bag. The thing that she doesnt know is I am not a tourist i could understand what she Said!

Are they allow to search on customer bag?
For example in Saturn germany if they know you have a big bag there is a deposit counter in front and you have to leave it there.

Am I allow to refuse to show my belonging?

Well, you should for one second (or two) consider the position of the cashier:
The store probably has a theft problem that was voiced by management. They urged them to look for anything suspicious.
But she's a cashier, not a detective or a psychologist who can read micro-expressions.
So, what can she do? She can't do nothing, so she calls out a couple of people who look suspicious to her. That's you and the Asian ladies in this case.

Don't take it personally.
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Re: Racism in Conforama

I actually think these folks who have to do these quasi-legal random inspections dislike these checks. It is probably really awkward if you really do catch somebody, I think they pick nice decent looking customers who don't make impressions of having pockets/handbacks filled with stuff.
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Re: Racism in Conforama

Well, they're certainly not paid extra to do it.
AFAIK.
And it's always a fine line between finding a thief and getting a complaint.

So, that probably curbs the enthusiasm around those spot-checks quite a bit.
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Re: Racism in Conforama

I wonder what would happen if you flatly refused to comply and tell them to fornicate off, after all they do not have any executive powers and are not allowed to detain you. What could you do if one of these "detectives" laid a hand on you?
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They do it alot in Migros at the self check out.
Happend to me at the Migros self checkout during my second week in Switzerland. I was quite shaken by it.
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I wonder what would happen if you flatly refused to comply and tell them to fornicate off, after all they do not have any executive powers and are not allowed to detain you. What could you do if one of these "detectives" laid a hand on you?
Shake his hand gently of, and go home. They can call the police if they please, but they are not allowed to search my bag if I do not want to (police is tho, store security ain't), and also they are not allowed to hold me unless they already are certain I've stolen something. so just the suspicion of me having stolen something is not enough to hold me, if they place the hand again on me, i'll gently tell that I will not shake it off gently twice.
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Happend to me at the Migros self checkout during my second week in Switzerland. I was quite shaken by it.
Self check out normally gives a signal and is randomly chosen by the computer, such to avoid claims of discrimination.
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Self check out normally gives a signal and is randomly chosen by the computer, such to avoid claims of discrimination.
An over 70 year old friend of mine was beeped at the self check-out the other week. But nothing was done really. He wondered a bit about that until I asked him if he had bought any alcohol.
He should have complained about them not asking for his ID.
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An over 70 year old friend of mine was beeped at the self check-out the other week. But nothing was done really. He wondered a bit about that until I asked him if he had bought any alcohol.
He should have complained about them not asking for his ID.
I've seen 70+ yrs old people in Sweden at the liquor store being asked for ID since they did not want to discriminate and just asked everybody during check moments
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I wonder what would happen if you flatly refused to comply and tell them to fornicate off, after all they do not have any executive powers and are not allowed to detain you. What could you do if one of these "detectives" laid a hand on you?
Everyone in Switzerland has the right to detain anyone as long as he has a strong believe that the person detained is doing something illegal/criminal.

Of course, this temporary detention has to be coupled with an immediate call to police, so they'll take over.

http://www.gesetze.ch/sr/312.0/312.0_052.htm

Durch Privatpersonen

Art. 218
1 Kann polizeiliche Hilfe nicht rechtzeitig erlangt werden, so sind Private berechtigt, eine Person vorläufig festzunehmen, wenn:
a. sie diese bei einem Verbrechen oder Vergehen auf frischer Tat ertappt oder unmittelbar nach der Begehung einer solchen Tat angetroffen haben; oder
b. die Öffentlichkeit zur Mithilfe bei deren Fahndung aufgefordert worden ist.
2 Bei der Festnahme dürfen Privatpersonen nur nach Massgabe von Artikel 200 Gewalt anwenden.
3 Festgenommene Personen sind so rasch als möglich der Polizei zu übergeben.


And according to article 200, which is also valid for regular people, and not just for police, you're even allowed to use force if deemed necessary:

Gewaltanwendung
Art. 200
Zur Durchsetzung von Zwangsmassnahmen darf als äusserstes Mittel Gewalt angewendet werden; diese muss verhältnismässig sein.


So, better to just open that bag and show you've nothing to hide.
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Everyone in Switzerland has the right to detain anyone as long as he has a strong believe that the person detained is doing something illegal/criminal.

Of course, this temporary detention has to be coupled with an immediate call to police, so they'll take over.......
And then there is that .... https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtsch...story/16463807 which is the subject here. You are talking about serious danger.
You are allowed to keep down a terrorist if you feel up to it albeit police still doesn't advise it. They don't even advise it for burglers.
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