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Old 19.05.2019, 19:33
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I really think its a language issue... whenever I take part in a group discussion with high german all swiss seem to be urged to reply in high german and they really don't like it...and it gives me a strange feeling to throw in my high german whereas everyone speak swiss german...really weird..
Really? My Swiss German isn´t good so I speak high German mostly and my colleagues speak Swiss German, work fine for me and for them.
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Old 19.05.2019, 19:33
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I really think its a language issue... whenever I take part in a group discussion with high german all swiss seem to be urged to reply in high german and they really don't like it...and it gives me a strange feeling to throw in my high german whereas everyone speak swiss german...really weird..
My boss told me that he prefers to speak English, since he's not worried about making mistakes. In German he always feels he's talking like an uneducated peasant. If the choice is there - speak English. For many Swiss, High German is a foreign language. Now be a good chap and go on a Swiss German course at Migroclubschule. You'll benefit. And try to lose the chip on your shoulder. It's not them. it's you.
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Old 19.05.2019, 19:40
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Really? My Swiss German isn´t good so I speak high German mostly and my colleagues speak Swiss German, work fine for me and for them.
Conversation with former girlfriend: "I speak some Swiss German" "no, you speak Schriftdeutsch with a Swiss accent".

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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

The language barriere is especially given when you have only Swiss colleagues...so I like diversity...but this is not wide spread in Switzerland even working in banks you have mostly swiss colleagues...and CS has won the first price in diversity..company language is English but Swiss German or High German is dominant at least where I work, its a joke really...
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Old 19.05.2019, 19:50
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The language barriere is especially given when you have only Swiss colleagues...so I like diversity...but this is not wide spread in Switzerland even working in banks you have mostly swiss colleagues...and CS has won the first price in diversity..company language is English but everyone speaks Swiss German or High German at least where I work, its a joke really...
Funny isn´t it? Seeing that this is Switzerland

What area you work in then? Worked for banks and that was mostly in international teams
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The language barriere is especially given when you have only Swiss colleagues...
Umm, I've only worked in Swiss companies, and thus have have spoken English, French, German, Italian and Rumantsch. Nobody has ever complained about my less than perfect command of any of the above, in fact when I go to Germany and speak crap Swiss German, they are all happy to speak to me in English!

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Old 19.05.2019, 20:09
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... in fact when I go to Germany and speak crap Swiss German, they are all happy to speak to me in English!

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That's how I do it. Speak fluent crap NotAllThereDeutsch and the listener swiftly surrenders and admits to speaking fluent perfect English.

To be fair. When I meet someone who speaks no English, then we usually get on like a house on fire with my something-almost-but-not-quite-unlike-German. You know, screams, panic, flames...


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Old 19.05.2019, 20:23
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

If course I can't know for sure, but perpaps you are inadvertently speaking in a way that sounds impolite to the Swiss ear.

A German friend of mine visited Zurich from Berlin. He said it was striking how much more frequently Swiss people, whether they spoke a Swiss German dialect, Swiss High German or English, tended to use "please", "thank you" and "sorry", compared to his everyday experience in Germany. He noticed that the waiter in the café had said "danke" five times. He pointed out a sticker on a letter-box saying: "Bitte keine Werbung", and said the equivalent in Berlin would say: "Werbung verboten!".

I saw a German shop shelf-packer in Winterthur frustrated because the customers wouldn't make way for her loaded trolley when she called out: "Achtung! Achtung!" Just then, a colleague recommended that she say, instead: "Äxgüsi, bitte," and she was amazed that it worked instantly.

A friend ran a kiosk and a customer, newly arrived from Germany, approached the counter and stated, without greeting: "Ich krieg' zwei Marlboro!" With that, she stunned all present into breathless shock. As the months went by, however, we got to know her as a friendly and even polite person... and she, in turn, was embarrassed to learn that, by speaking in a way that was perfectly normal in her part of Germany, she had been rude to the kiosk-owner.

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....go on a Swiss German course at Migroclubschule. You'll benefit...
This, definitely. It's not necessary to be able to speak it properly, but I consider being able to understand Swiss German in general, without strain, essential for getting along with one's colleagues in an office setting in Zurich.
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Old 19.05.2019, 20:36
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If course I can't know for sure, but perpaps you are inadvertently speaking in a way that sounds impolite to the Swiss ear.

A German friend of mine visited Zurich from Berlin. He said it was striking how much more frequently Swiss people, whether they spoke a Swiss German dialect, Swiss High German or English, tended to use "please", "thank you" and "sorry", compared to his everyday experience in Germany. He noticed that the waiter in the café had said "danke" five times. He pointed out a sticker on a letter-box saying: "Bitte keine Werbung", and said the equivalent in Berlin would say: "Werbung verboten!".

I saw a German shop shelf-packer in Winterthur frustrated because the customers wouldn't make way for her loaded trolley when she called out: "Achtung! Achtung!" Just then, a colleague recommended that she say, instead: "Äxgüsi, bitte," and she was amazed that it worked instantly.

A friend ran a kiosk and a customer, newly arrived from Germany, approached the counter and stated, without greeting: "Ich krieg' zwei Marlboro!" With that, she stunned all present into breathless shock. As the months went by, however, we got to know her as a friendly and even polite person... and she, in turn, was embarrassed to learn that, by speaking in a way that was perfectly normal in her part of Germany, she had been rude to the kiosk-owner.

Kmow the joke about how a German opens an oyster? Knocks on it and yells "aufmachen".

But you hit a good and true point Doropfiz
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Old 19.05.2019, 20:44
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I really think its a language issue... whenever I take part in a group discussion with high german all swiss seem to be urged to reply in high german and they really don't like it...and it gives me a strange feeling to throw in my high german whereas everyone speak swiss german...really weird..
OP, since you've identified this as [at least part of] the problem, do take a course in Swiss German.

Also, I presume that there must be lists somewhere (perhaps on a Germans-living-in-Switzerland or just a Germans-living-abroad forum) of the ten or twenty most useful behavioural and speech modifications a German could make to get along with the locals.

Such modifications are often helpful, when moving from any culture to any other, and it's wise to know which things "my kind" does which typically would annoy or offend, or greatly please, the locals of the country in which I now am.

EDIT: Here's such a forum. http://www.deutsch-schweiz.ch/home
Disclaimer: I haven't looked to see whether there are tips there about what a German can do to improve integration in Switzerland.
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The muslim children in my class look perfectly south or middle european /mediterranean. They are turks, balkani, syrian, tunisian, egyptian and so on. Being born into the muslim faith has nothing to do with looks.
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Old 19.05.2019, 21:39
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Yes, I have been living in Zurich for more then ten years. I was born in Germany and grew up there, speak perfect High German and still have difficulties to understand the local dialect... This is a huge obstacle as I found. Swiss are not willing to speak High german with you....

Why should the Swiss speak a "foreign language" in their own country ?
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Why should the Swiss speak a "foreign language" in their own country ?
I guess you would have the same problem when you choose to move to Baden- Württemberg, Bayern or Swabia.

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The language barriere is especially given when you have only Swiss colleagues...so I like diversity...but this is not wide spread in Switzerland even working in banks you have mostly swiss colleagues...and CS has won the first price in diversity..company language is English but Swiss German or High German is dominant at least where I work, its a joke really...
You keep on about diversity, but I doubt very much that is what you actually mean - you just want everyone to speak English. Because if it was, you could not miss it at CS and in fact in most of the big Swiss employers for that matter. It has been a year or two, but the last time I was at CS, I was the token Swiss person on the team!!! And I was very pleased to see that many of apprentices were drawn from the Tamil and ex-yugoslavia communities because I felt they were under represented in the past.
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After nearly 20 years in Switzerland I can order a cheese pie and the waiter still brings the kitchen cupboard to my table.
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I guess you would have the same problem when you choose to move to Baden- Württemberg, Bayern or Swabia.
Or Rhineland Pfalz or Saxony. Paltzisch is hard but Sächsisch is diabolical.
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.so I like diversity...but this is not wide spread in Switzerland even working in banks you have mostly swiss colleagues...
With a foreign born population of around 30% (and 37% with an immigration background) I have a hard time understanding that. Definitely doesn't sound like the Zürich I lived in.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
I assume that 95% of the forum members are foreigners. We all understand pretty well.
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
You have been here since 2008, 10 years? And still make threads like this? Sure...
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