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You keep on about diversity, but I doubt very much that is what you actually mean - you just want everyone to speak English. Because if it was, you could not miss it at CS and in fact in most of the big Swiss employers for that matter. It has been a year or two, but the last time I was at CS, I was the token Swiss person on the team!!! And I was very pleased to see that many of apprentices were drawn from the Tamil and ex-yugoslavia communities because I felt they were under represented in the past.
The Tamils and ex-Yugoslav kids are also Swiss. The second generation has a lot less problems than their parents, it's always like that. That being said, most of us on EF didn't have the problems that first generation of immigrants usually encounter. Times have changed...not that much in some regards, but still. I don't think my children will ever face any kind of discrimination based on their nationality(es). (or looks, but that wasn't a problem for me or OH either)
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
Posting an article that tries to label Adolf Ogi as a right wing politician, just makes me understand that the author has no idea what he is writing about. It is also unrelated to your statement that "diversity" is "not widespread" in Switzerland, in particular when the numbers clearly tell a different story.
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Old 20.05.2019, 07:59
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
It reads like ‘Journo’s first gig abroad -SHOCKER; finds it all confusingly different to home.’

Whinges about the tired stereotypes then litters the piece with his own. Quality.
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Old 20.05.2019, 08:16
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
What a load of bullshit!

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Old 20.05.2019, 08:51
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

I live in an apartment block, one neighbour is from Thailand. The other one from Switzerland, her husband Dutch. Below some Spanish people, some from Bulgaria, some from Portugal. And that is in one block....


How much more diversity do you want?


Have a look maybe at what the impression is you make on people, maybe read Doropfiz´s post again?
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Old 20.05.2019, 10:05
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I live in an apartment block, one neighbour is from Thailand. The other one from Switzerland, her husband Dutch. Below some Spanish people, some from Bulgaria, some from Portugal. And that is in one block....


How much more diversity do you want?

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My direct neighbours are a Serb / Thai couple with two kids. Opposite is a family from the Phillipines. He speaks passable Swiss German and excellent English but she struggles with both. My neighbour on the other side is an elderly gentleman from Taiwan who speaks Swiss German fluently. He is the only one of us who actually holds a Swiss passport. One door further down is an American couple.
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
OP, did you write this article?
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OP, did you write this article?
I don't think that is important, who wrote the article and why. It only reflects an individual, subjective opinion. Oftentimes, you will be amazed at the perspective some journalists or simple people have on various subjects, especially when you are an insider and definitely a lot more knowledgeable on a given subject. And it seems ridiculous or simply ignorant to you. But this is how things are.
I think we should all learn to accept that different people have different views and move on.

It holds some truth though - the rural areas are more traditionalist and (maybe) even a bit more xenophobic than the cities or larger towns.
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Old 20.05.2019, 12:32
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Read this and you will understand better:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/t...ents-1.5439604
Anyone that takes that kind of trash as they’re reference point cannot be taken seriously. You are surrounded by diversity everyday and yet you claim the opposite despite all the evidence to the contrary, the problem is it is not diversity on your terms and we cannot help you with that.
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Old 20.05.2019, 13:01
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I don't think that is important, who wrote the article and why. It only reflects an individual, subjective opinion. Oftentimes, you will be amazed at the perspective some journalists or simple people have on various subjects, especially when you are an insider and definitely a lot more knowledgeable on a given subject. And it seems ridiculous or simply ignorant to you. But this is how things are.
I think we should all learn to accept that different people have different views and move on.

It holds some truth though - the rural areas are more traditionalist and (maybe) even a bit more xenophobic than the cities or larger towns.

I think there are two reasons why journalists can write such utter tripe.


The first is that they genuinely don't know better. Kids who maybe grew up in a sheltered environment and with certain views of the world are let out for the first time and, well, it's a bit like newbies on the EF unwittingly pushing all the wrong buttons in their first 10 posts. We need to have some patientce and understanding for people like that and refrain from shooting them down immediately.


The other possibility is that they do know better but are intentionally twisting and cherry-picking, either just to add sensationalism and thus further there own career, or possibly indeed fulfilling some activist mission, stated or unstated, that seeks to produce content that confirm with an existing bias.


It is the latter that often gets labelled, fairly or unfairly, as fake news. It is the sort of thing that hurts the reputation of journalism and fuels the plummeting subscriber numbers of legacy newspapers. And ultimately, it is the job of a chief editor to keep an eye on those things, and if he or she cares about journalistic integrity, to weed them out. A newspaper that doesn't do that, doesn't care, and thus has no right to complain if people stop listening.
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Old 20.05.2019, 16:37
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I think there are two reasons why journalists can write such utter tripe.
The crazy thing that this article, published by an Israeli newspaper no less, says that the genocide on the German&Austrian population had strong positive side effects. Now imagine the same happening WRT the Holocaust...
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Old 20.05.2019, 19:53
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Hi - late to the party here but just read the OP posting and replys.


To the OP, you..for lack of a better word..have a problem.


I'm been living here 10 years. I'm brown. Definately look "Muslim" ..what ever that look is....... I speak ZERO German (well beyond "can i have a coffee take-away") and at least I can say Chuchihastli but that's it.


I live in Red Neck Kanton Aargau. It's so red neck that in addition to the Bunzli neighbors, I have Check, South African, Secondo Italian, Brazilian, German, ...I'm the Brownest in a 500 meter radius. Probably 1 of 20 Brown people in my town.


Why is it then...I have AWESOME neighbors...who speak English to me, Swiss ones..real Swiss ones that invite me to their functions, and at town events..the TRASLATE for me..even though they don't have too?


Why is it, in Red Neck Kanton Aargau, I can go to my local Gemeinde and they respond to me in perfect American English accent (I'm American)?


Why is it that I feel like a loser because I can't speak the language (time and the way I learn are big issues for me)?


Grow up. Look in the mirror. You're in Zurich..seriously? It's you with the problem. I don't negate you can have some pockets of your socalled "uniformity"...so what..its their country, you're a guest. So am I. and I have my issues with CH, but I never forget, I'm a guest here, and you should too..and enjoy that. Change your mindset. I'm on a 10 year vacation so far (albeit job,child and mortgage etc.) but hell...see the good...then..after than you can bitch and be a sarcastic SOB like me.
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My direct neighbours are a Serb / Thai couple with two kids. Opposite is a family from the Phillipines. He speaks passable Swiss German and excellent English but she struggles with both. My neighbour on the other side is an elderly gentleman from Taiwan who speaks Swiss German fluently. He is the only one of us who actually holds a Swiss passport. One door further down is an American couple.
I dont deny that diversity exists in Switzerland. I don't mean christianity I mean real diversity. May be I am just not living in the right house in CH. Have you ever seen a muslim in director position at CS or UBS in Zurich?
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Old 20.05.2019, 20:56
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I dont deny that diversity exists in Switzerland. May be I am just not living in the right house in CH.
You base that on the house you live in??
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What a load of bullshit!

Tom
Show me a more profound article about diversity in CH before you mock about this. The UN an international organization have noticed growing racism and discrimination in CH and have demanded countermeasures.
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You base that on the house you live in??
No but amogles did speaking about neighbors.
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Show me a more profound article about diversity in CH before you mock about this. The UN an international organization have noticed growing racism and discrimination in CH and have demanded countermeasures.
What article? The fact that a lot of people have lived here for decades and their experiences don´t count?

The UN is definitely not an organization I´d trust much here. There are a lot of countries where that is a lot worse IMO
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Old 20.05.2019, 21:28
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Have you ever seen a muslim in director position at CS or UBS in Zurich?
Why would I want to?

Anyway, the head of CS is a black african, don't know if he's mooslum though.

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I dont deny that diversity exists in Switzerland. I don't mean christianity I mean real diversity. May be I am just not living in the right house in CH. Have you ever seen a muslim in director position at CS or UBS in Zurich?
Yes, I believe that there are quite a few, but religion doesn't (fortunately) play a role in who gets promoted. It's due to other fu?d-up reasons.

And if you're talking about the big banks, have you ever thought about the effect that external (cheap) Indian labour e.g. outsourcing via UBS has on the existing indigenous population, that are trying desperately to hold on to their livelihood, having built it up over a life-time?
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Have you ever seen a muslim in director position at CS or UBS in Zurich?
Since when is religion relevant for competence??? And how would you know if someone is muslim, christian, jewish, agnostic or whatever?
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