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Old 20.05.2019, 22:50
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Ps: if you want to live in an international environment, 44 percent of the people living in Opfikon are not Swiss. Try that?
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Old 20.05.2019, 23:03
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Ps: if you want to live in an international environment, 44 percent of the people living in Opfikon are not Swiss. Try that?
I'd like to comment but can't due to employment contract restrictions
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Old 20.05.2019, 23:05
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Show me a more profound article about diversity in CH before you mock about this.
The oldies are the best, and this one has been posted a few times before on EF...

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/migrati...rland/42412156

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Its not in my eyes but discrimination of muslims is obvious. Why do we have Germans in leading positions and not more muslims who grew up in Germany?
Why have you narrowed the field to just German born Muslims? What's wrong with Swiss born Muslims? One of the best people I've got to know so far this year is Swiss born Muslim. Of the fellow immigrants I've got to know over the past year in Zurich, the largest percentage are from South America, particularly Brazil.

It's foolhardy in this day and age, to assume you can accurately guess a person's nationality or lineage simply by looking at them or seeing their name.
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Old 20.05.2019, 23:20
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Sigh.

We gotta win the hockey world cup, I think, for folks to learn how to spell us.

OP - there is a thread like this showing up every few months, so this time it was you, it is not a surprising phenomenon here. I think what you are looking for is divergent thinking. It has nothing to do with culturet , race..religion nor affirmative action. It is probably a question of willing to take a risk, using one's imagination and consciously looking for surprises.

What do you think? t

Surprise me.
Yes, agree. Switzerland came 4th in the Eurovision Song Contest this week, and our representative said "at least we beat Sweden": https://www.20min.ch/entertainment/m...agen--10632997

No idea what his religion is, but he has a good grasp of how the rest of the World usually categorises CH.

PS: https://www.jesus.ch/themen/glaube/g...s_haenden.html
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Old 21.05.2019, 01:50
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And that you don't recognise the UN as an organization does say a lot about you. Well you could easily show me an article praising the culture of diversity in Switzerland.
Switzerland is a member of the UN. And if you cannot google the relevant articles it is because you don’t want to. Your problem.
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like 50% of big bank CEOs being from Africa? Is that not diverse enough for you?
And 50% of big pharma CEOs are from Indian origin
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Old 21.05.2019, 02:07
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Have you ever seen a muslim in director position at CS or UBS in Zurich?
Yes I sure have! In fact I’ve even seen the same Muslim in both banks and the last I heard he had been promoted to an MD. I’ve also had two Jehovah witness, a Sikh and an LDS as Director.

In fact based on your statements I very much doubt if you have ever worked at either company.

And now for your next bit of BS.....
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Old 21.05.2019, 07:06
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Just trying to think of a situation where a CEO (banking or otherwise) would make a thing of his/her religion.

At which point in the recruitment process in Switzerland would he or she be asked, ‘so what’s the deal on your god? Which team do you bat for?’

Here literally nobody cares. In fact muslims and I probably hold equal footing in ‘employment’ because neither they nor I pay church tax in Switzerland.

Damn! Is that why I’ve not made it to C-level yet??
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Old 21.05.2019, 09:14
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Yes, agree. Switzerland came 4th in the Eurovision Song Contest this week, and our representative said "at least we beat Sweden": https://www.20min.ch/entertainment/m...agen--10632997
One of the guys singing did have a nice pair of nylons, yeah!

Madonna's off-key playback did not surprise.

Interesting how such real idea as diversity gets so subjectively interpreted and used when it suits.

Music contests are great, btw. I am all for subjective interpretation, especially in music.

OP gave us their ideas, I wonder how open/tolerant they are to our interpretations.
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Old 21.05.2019, 09:20
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

The OP is making a case that because they are muslim they can't get ahead? really now?


Think it's time for you to wake up. YOu think that religion gets you ahead? Here's what gets you ahead in corporate. First it starts with Merit. Do a good job, get a brand for yourself. Then you Network your ass off. Get powerful friends or friends of potential power. Third learn to play Politics. ALOT of it. Be ready to back stab without regret anyone who gets in your way..not only back stab...but SINK'EM. I mean CRUSH the living "FK" out them. Then elbow your way up - put yourself out there without regret - Deliver Financially first and foremost taking what ever measures possible and compete like hell. IN short, be the best there is - Darwin style.


Now..tell me ...where does being brown, or religious, or diversity play a role here? where? Look at women who have made it to board positions, did they get there because of the fact they're women? NO. They got there because they slit the damn throats of their competitors, they worked their butt off, the played the game, they were meritous, they were were political and hit the ground. Yes the environment got better and ready for them but they were there pounding ground.


I can see it now, big Bank CEO in the middle of an investment call.."excuse me, I need to go prey now at my local....chruch, synogoge, mosque, temple, or what ever"...Yeah...uh huh...right. Or .."excuse me, Investors, I gotta go to a meeting of the brown people in CH to complain of uniformity in CH". Yup...uh huh...yeah...... I don't want that a CEO for a business where I invest. I want a cut-throat mo-fo. Don't care if he or she is brown, white, female, male, trans, muslim, non-muslim, swiss not swiss...I want a SOB whose going to deliver..crush others, and show me a profit.


now...where does the OP fit into that equation..do they?
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Old 21.05.2019, 09:22
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

The OP seems to be confusing uniformity and equality. He has a bee in his bonnet about discrimination which has nothing to do with uniformity.

Maybe somebody could get him a dictionary.
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Old 21.05.2019, 09:37
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The OP is making a case that because they are muslim they can't get ahead? really now?


Think it's time for you to wake up. YOu think that religion gets you ahead? Here's what gets you ahead in corporate. First it starts with Merit.
Thank you, good to see that here. Unearned advances are the fastest way to sink anyone, anyways. Just a matter of time. We do not know if OP expects unearned anything, though. Or do we?

I do think that having somewhere to vent is probably beneficial for the OP, so I will move the thread from Daily Life to Complaint Corner.

If their message is - Give us more diversity (and not unearned advances), then we better tolerate their view which is quite diverse from ours. Darwin was all about diversity, btw. DNA pool speaking. OP's controversial opinion attracts quite a big reaction here, it is pretty Darwinian. People will not react to unchallenging views. Echo chambers get no traffic.

This thread is interesting. I hope OP will continue talking to us.
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Old 21.05.2019, 11:57
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We gotta win the hockey world cup, I think, for folks to learn how to spell us.
This is gonna be tough, their morale will be quite low later in the quarter finals after the their defeat in the upcoming game


Imagine those poor HR recruiters when they not only have to take every gender on the LGBTQIxyz spectrum but also every religion into account when hiring people... https://www.englishforum.ch/images/s...nsarcastic.gif
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This is gonna be tough, their morale will be quite low later in the quarter finals after the their defeat in the upcoming game
I really want to post this lovely meme right now...

http://images.app.goo.gl/dYuiByPjQTrRHRZQ6


Now...Do you think quotas make HR's life easier or more dificult? More sensible or less?
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Old 21.05.2019, 13:15
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Now...Do you think quotas make HR's life easier or more dificult? More sensible or less?
When HR people can sort out 80 % job applications because the applicant has the wrong gender it certainly reduces their workload

Difficulties arise with the complexity of the job profile. It's hard enough to find the best person for a job, if I had to ignore 80 % of applications because of gender even more, and if I had to strip down another 90 %from the remaining applications because of religion, its really gonna be tough

The discussion about quotas most certainly did help rise awareness for discrimination issues therefore I'm glad that there is this discussion.
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Old 21.05.2019, 13:29
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When HR people can sort out 80 % job applications because the applicant has the wrong gender it certainly reduces their workload

Difficulties arise with the complexity of the job profile. It's hard enough to find the best person for a job, if I had to ignore 80 % of applications because of gender even more, and if I had to strip down another 90 %from the remaining applications because of religion, its really gonna be tough.
It is tough. Though I honestly do not think there are religion based quotas, maybe it seemed that way to the OP. Which they are entitled to.

So. When are we going to get rid off gender restrictions for hockey? A job is a job.

With respect to quotas/merit/productivity...I do think we will see more of "unwritten" vs "official", in terms of HR candidate profiling, tbh.
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Yes I sure have! In fact I’ve even seen the same Muslim in both banks and the last I heard he had been promoted to an MD. I’ve also had two Jehovah witness, a Sikh and an LDS as Director.

In fact based on your statements I very much doubt if you have ever worked at either company.

And now for your next bit of BS.....
Do you really talk about religion and stuff with your work colleagues? That's the last thing I would ever mention in this environment - religion and race or ethnicity. I have a Brazilian colleague who looks rather Chinese - never asked anything that could have made her feel uncomfortable. I don't think it's even relevant to be honest, apart from some sort of curiosity and I know better than that. Some things could be discussed only if you become friends or on friendly terms... IMHO.
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This is gonna be tough, their morale will be quite low later in the quarter finals after the their defeat in the upcoming game


Btw, there should be more uniforms in CH, I'm agree.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Now will are still mistaken as Sweden, Swaziland, or the country called Swiss. Let's see who we will have in the quarter finals.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Clearly the Swiss have nothing on German uniformity:



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