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Uniformity in Switzerland

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Switzerland prides itself of being an international country but is it really like this?
I wonder what experience all of you have made living and working in Switzerland. Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions? Many swiss people like to surround themselves with other swiss people. How does integrating function in this regard? What about diversity and inclusion?

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Switzerland prides itself of being an international country but is it really like this?
I wonder what experience all of you have made living and working in Switzerland. Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions? Many swiss people like to surround themselves with other swiss people. How does integrating function in this regard? What about diversity and inclusion?

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What is your experience?
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No real diversity which leads to narrow point of view
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No real diversity which leads to narrow point of view
Living also in Zürich my experience is contradicting yours.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

My experience is that, wherever I've lived, my general, everyday interactions are much the way I make them.

As soon as I've been willing to make a few modifications to my own way of doing things, so as not to offend culturally, I've made connections with locals and immigrants and passers-through, alike.

To start with, learning the local language (and if in a region with a dialect, learning to understand that) opens doors and hearts. Also, it helps to go to places where one shares a mutual interest, and then the country or culture of origin are much less in focus because the commonality becomes what matters.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

Out of interest, OP, are you currently living in Switzerland?
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Yes, I have been living in Zurich for more then ten years. I was born in Germany and grew up there, speak perfect High German and still have difficulties to understand the local dialect... This is a huge obstacle as I found. Swiss are not willing to speak High german with you...Also I look muslim. This country has a christian culture . I look good but muslim are being discriminated on the ground of looks although I am not a follower of Islam.
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Yes, I have been living in Zurich for more then ten years. I was born in Germany and grew up there, speak perfect High German and still have difficulties to understand the local dialect... This is a huge obstacle as I found. Swiss are not willing to speak High german with you...Also I look muslim. This country has a christian culture . I look good but muslim are being discriminated on the ground of looks although I am not a follower of Islam.
so you are bemoaning uniformity while also bemoaning the fact that Switzerland is different?
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Also I look muslim.
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Old 19.05.2019, 18:18
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

All three of our grand-children are visibly asian, my wife get confused for being south-american (by a brasilian neighbour) despite being 100% Swiss, and nobody cares at all.

The only people that I know who look muslim are actually Israeli.

The mind boggles.

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Switzerland prides itself of being an international country but is it really like this?
I wonder what experience all of you have made living and working in Switzerland. Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions? Many swiss people like to surround themselves with other swiss people. How does integrating function in this regard? What about diversity and inclusion?

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I've been here more than 50 years now from London and have never had any such negative experiences. I can, I think, say that I have yet to meet a German who has taken the trouble to speak Swiss-German something I find would be the first step towards integration.
All the English people I know, mainly who are here through marriage have no such blockages and them speaking Swiss-German is now a part of living in the Swiss culture.
As for myself, well, should anyone notice that I'm not native their guess is always that I'm Dutch.
Personally I hate having to speak High-German and avoid it whenever possible.
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Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions?
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I was born in Germany and grew up there, speak perfect High German and still have difficulties to understand the local dialect.
Seriously? Why? The more High German I learn, the more Swiss German I understand. It's just a matter of learning a few special words, forms and how Swiss German words are connected to the High German words you know. Plus a few set phrases.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

My experience is that people tend to treat me as I treat them. Works the world over. Simple rule of don‘t be a dick and people (usually) won‘t be a dick to you. Anyone being a dick regardless, is down to them and their own issues.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

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Switzerland prides itself of being an international country but is it really like this?
I wonder what experience all of you have made living and working in Switzerland. Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions? Many swiss people like to surround themselves with other swiss people. How does integrating function in this regard? What about diversity and inclusion?

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I don't think one could generalize and say Swiss like to surround themselves with other Swiss. I think its fairly normal that people of like cutures or languages or countries or beliefs etc etc gravitate towards each other. Its when one cannot relate to people of other beliefs, countries etc etc that a problem arises.
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I don't think one could generalize and say Swiss like to surround themselves with other Swiss. I think its fairly normal that people of like cutures or languages or countries or beliefs etc etc gravitate towards each other. Its when one cannot relate to people of other beliefs, countries etc etc that a problem arises.
Dude, what's happened to you, you have started making sense!

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I think, say that I have yet to meet a German who has taken the trouble to speak Swiss-German something I find would be the first step towards integration.
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Actually I know several.

Places like Migros Kliubschile even offer courses for German speakers to learn Swiss German. And they seem to be well frequented

But sadly there are also Germans who take pride in their non assimilation.
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Where my son works, there are quite a few German nationals. They all speak dialect with their colleagues eventually - takes about two years.
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Switzerland prides itself of being an international country but is it really like this?
I wonder what experience all of you have made living and working in Switzerland. Isn't it that people like uniformity and easily irritated of other unknown nationalities and religions? Many swiss people like to surround themselves with other swiss people. How does integrating function in this regard? What about diversity and inclusion?

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Can you come back on Friday? We normally do these kind of treads then and it would be appreciated if you were to conform.
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Re: Uniformity in Switzerland

I really think its a language issue... whenever I take part in a group discussion with high german all swiss seem to be urged to reply in high german and they really don't like it...and it gives me a strange feeling to throw in my high german whereas everyone speak swiss german...really weird..
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I really think its a language issue... whenever I take part in a group discussion with high german all swiss seem to be urged to reply in high german and they really don't like it...and it gives me a strange feeling to throw in my high german whereas everyone speak swiss german...really weird..
Normal, I also hate high German.

Meanwhile, when my wife is in the German speaking bits, she pulls the "I am Swiss, and you are not" card and insists on speaking Italian, which invariably works in her favor.

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