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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

Just wanted to add, in my experience, parents with young children were usually the cleanest customers because they're so accustomed to cleaning up after their children, and most get a little embarrassed if restaurant staff go to help them. My teams were always taught to offer to help a parent clean up, but accept if this help was refused on the proviso that it wasn't causing an issue for other diners.
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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

I might be naive, but can't you just teach your kids not to make a mess?

Sure if the kids are really young, that might be challenging - but at some point they should be able to behave and eat properly.
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Old 30.05.2019, 20:38
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I might be naive, but can't you just teach your kids not to make a mess?
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Can you tell me how to do it? Thanks in advance!
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Err, the OP said so? Deliberately throwing or accidentally dropping is irrelevant, the result is the same.
To me throwing deliberately and dropping accidentally are very different but each to their own I guess.
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Old 30.05.2019, 20:48
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I suggest you think about the context - even with your ridiculous examples, from the purely limited point of view of someone clearing up afterwards, they're all pretty much equivalent, yes.
I thought what you wrote was pretty ridiculous too.

I really hate the expression, "You don't have kids, do you?" but in this case:

You don't have kids, do you?"

And if you think rice is bad, try serving them couscous!



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To me throwing deliberately and dropping accidentally are very different but each to their own I guess.
Well that's what I thought too.
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I think you might have missed the point: if the kids are young, fair enough, they are still learning - if they are older they should know how to behave at the dining table. OP didn´t mention how old their kid(s) are, and apparently this happens regularly so I wonder why that´s the case. There are multiple approaches how to teach manners, in any case it starts at home at the dining table, if things don´t translate into a situation in the restaurant parents can always take a break with the kids and go outside for a few minutes and ultimately if that doesn´t help leave the restaurant altogether.
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I really hate the expression, "You don't have kids, do you?" but in this case:

You don't have kids, do you?"
It's true, but so what? I was a kid once, although TBF we never ate in restaurants, but table manners, and acceptable behaviour in general, were drilled into us from a very early age. I do see, in France and Switzerland, examples of both extremes of behaviour, from the complete lack of any effort at control, to the "may I please leave the table" type of behaviour that I was brought up with.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect parents to control their children in public places, and if they're so unable to do so that a restaurant refuses to continue serving them there's only one direction I'd look in to see a problem.

I might infer from your posts is that you think it's OK to let kids run wild in a restaurant or similar environment, and that others should just put up with it. Is that what you actually think?
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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

Age is also important, I have no clue about the age of OP's kid, but mine is almost 3 yrs old. In general we're not complaining about his eating, but they can even make a mess by accident, put the spoon in the meal, look somewhere else and put the arms on the table only to launch the spoon of.

Shit happens with kids during diner, and no matter how well you educate them, shit will happen. And indeed I don't take him to restaurants only for fun, but we also travel and prefer decent food so we end up in restaurants instead of a happy meal on the corner of a street. If he cried I took him outside for a walk to calm down while my food got cold. If he spoiled I did my best to clean it up. He will not yell, and if he wanted to run around I would take him on my lap only to end up with foodstains myself, or have a moment outside. We would skip stuffed restaurants, and if possible sit in a more calm corner.

All that: "Well than you have to raise them better"

Darn rubbish, yeah sure some parents do a lousy job, some kids are damn hard to control, but enough parents try their hardest and do a damn good job, but you can't control a young kid in the same way you can control an RC car.
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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

Exactly what I was going to type. Some people seem to think children should be kept in a cocoon to emerge with perfect table manners, behaviour etc.

We‘ve been to restaurants with my son throughout his life. We are fairly strict about regular mealtimes, manners at table at home etc so it was never a huge leap of faith at a restaurant. We always made sure we had toys / books etc to keep him amused in case of slow service. Also we mostly would dine out at lunchtimes - an evening meal means you‘re getting close to bedtime therefore cranky kid territory.

Children have to learn social skills and eating out now and again is one such area where they can hone said skills.

In my experience, restaurants with good serving staff are perfectly fine with children - it‘s the places that are lousy that don‘t handle such situations well.

Veering slightly off topic, my bugbear is the dreaded „child menu“ of deep fried <automoderated>. I much prefer places (and they do exist) that offer mini portions of items from the regular menu as it allows the children to be a bit more adventurous. For that reason, I always preferred restaurants of the tapas / mezze type where the child can share with the parents and try different things.

And to the OP - just give this restaurant the bargepole treatment. There are plenty more restaurants in the Zürich conurbation to dine at.

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Age is also important, I have no clue about the age of OP's kid, but mine is almost 3 yrs old. In general we're not complaining about his eating, but they can even make a mess by accident, put the spoon in the meal, look somewhere else and put the arms on the table only to launch the spoon of.

Shit happens with kids during diner, and no matter how well you educate them, shit will happen. And indeed I don't take him to restaurants only for fun, but we also travel and prefer decent food so we end up in restaurants instead of a happy meal on the corner of a street. If he cried I took him outside for a walk to calm down while my food got cold. If he spoiled I did my best to clean it up. He will not yell, and if he wanted to run around I would take him on my lap only to end up with foodstains myself, or have a moment outside. We would skip stuffed restaurants, and if possible sit in a more calm corner.

All that: "Well than you have to raise them better"

Darn rubbish, yeah sure some parents do a lousy job, some kids are damn hard to control, but enough parents try their hardest and do a damn good job, but you can't control a young kid in the same way you can control an RC car.
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Nail their hands to the table.

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Old 31.05.2019, 09:11
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It's true, but so what? I was a kid once, although TBF we never ate in restaurants, but table manners, and acceptable behaviour in general, were drilled into us from a very early age. I do see, in France and Switzerland, examples of both extremes of behaviour, from the complete lack of any effort at control, to the "may I please leave the table" type of behaviour that I was brought up with.


I might infer from your posts is that you think it's OK to let kids run wild in a restaurant or similar environment, and that others should just put up with it. Is that what you actually think?
My kids behave in restaurants.
We don't allow them to sit there with smart phones and tablets either whilst waiting for food or after they have finished.

If they do make a mess, of course we clear it up.

They've never had a TV dinner in their life. Nor have I.
We take food and eating seriously.

All children are different. Some have better hand-eye coordination than others. They all develop at different ages.

And, as for children running around in restaurants - we can't abide that and our children are not allowed to do that.

I didn't call you out on any of that -I agree with you. I called you out on the fact that you seem to think that deliberately throwing food on the floor is the same as a young child spilling it accidentally.
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Old 31.05.2019, 09:17
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Also we mostly would dine out at lunchtimes - an evening meal means you‘re getting close to bedtime therefore cranky kid territory.
This is the most important thing I've learnt. Tired children and restaurants do not work.

I wish I had done the AirBnB thing years ago (except it didn't exist)

Now when we go away, for a weekend for example, we almost always use AirBnB at a place with a kitchen and if we are dining out, we do it at lunchtime and then stay in, in the evening with something light or something we've brought from home (especially for that invariably late first night).
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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

There are two sides to most stories.


I want to say your quote of 30 seconds is very wrong. Someone has to stop whatever they are doing go get the brush, do the job, probably having to move chairs or other furniture, empty the pan of dirty rice, return brush and pan, then wash their hands and back to their job.


I do wonder if this restaurant have been living in dread of your weekly visits.


Note McD is very popular with children, they have easy to clean formica tops on their tables and expect people to put tidy up themselves, i.e. empty trays into the trash bin.



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I was told that from now on I should only do take away with them because my little one often makes the floor dirty with rice and for them it's not worth cleaning up. (30 seconds with a brush).
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Just as an aside, I was in a shoe shop last week trying on 3 pairs of trainers. A woman and her daughter (about 7-9 yrs old) were on the same bank of seating and tried on over a dozen pairs of shoes. I put the shoes back in the boxes and back on the shelves whilst the woman left theirs quite literally littered all over the shop and walked out. I was absolutely gobsmacked by this behaviour. It takes a minute to clean up after yourself, teaches the child good manners, and makes the day just that little bit easier for the staff.
I used to put shoes back into boxes until i was once specifically told by a shop assitant that it was her job and that they have a special way of wrapping shoes or something and since then i stopped doing it, but I do out of courtesy offer to help.

Same as that many clothes shops don't want you to put clothes you've tried back on the shelves but there is a place next to the dressing cublicle where you can leave clothes you don't want to buy and they then take proper care of them.
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When mini-porsch was a few months old and started to sit up we decided to take her to a restaurant in Neuchatel. Was a bit of a nightmare. She made a huge mess on the floor and we felt super embarrassed. We apologised to the waitress and asked if she had a brush and shovel for us to tidy up.

She told us it's no trouble and that's what kids do. Which was a nice touch. Needless to say we never went back until mini porsch was old enough to not make such a big mess.

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My top tip... an old friend is a food writer (not a restaurant critic). Everytime I've dined with her and her partner, they order 4-6 starters and maybe a couple of side dishes. The second time I dined with them, they ordered all the starters between 4 of us and it was great.

On the occasions when I'm not that hungry, or none of the mains on offer grab me, I'll happily order 2 starters to be served as the main. We've even just had a main dish, then ordered a starter later if we're still peckish, and I've never been in a restaurant that wasn't happy to accommodate this.

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Nowt wrong with a tv dinner. It might not be the foil tray with little portions of mash, peas and meat that we had as kids, but curling up on the sofa to watch a film with a really good omelette, risotto or bowl of pasta, is bliss.

As for holidays, we always went to B&B places with a little kitchenette when i was little. When I was 6, we started staying in a hotel with a very formal restaurant because my mum wanted to stay in the kind of place where you dressed for dinner. Even then, the waiters used to give the kids little colouring books and put our 'artwork' on a board in reception.
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Nowt wrong with a tv dinner. It might not be the foil tray with little portions of mash, peas and meat that we had as kids, but curling up on the sofa to watch a film with a really good omelette, risotto or bowl of pasta, is bliss.
No, there's nothing wrong with that but we don't do it.

The point is, people have their own, different (not better, or worse) ways of doing things and personally I don't really need PMs (with red blobs) from people reading this thread (but who haven't actively participated) telling me I what I should, and shouldn't do as far as my childrens' table manners are concerned.

One would have thought they had better manners and would discuss this on the thread rather than in an underhand way.

But, hey ho, as I said, we all have a different definition of good manners.
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I believe the reason that quite some luxury hotels and restaurants in the past year or two started to be "adults only" isnt even the kids… its the parents.
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... I don't really need PMs (with red blobs) from people reading this thread (but who haven't actively participated) telling me I what I should, and shouldn't do as far as my childrens' table manners are concerned.

One would have thought they had better manners and would discuss this on the thread rather than in an underhand way.

But, hey ho, as I said, we all have a different definition of good manners.
I cannot believe you were PM'ed about your table manners . I should count myself lucky or maybe I jinxed myself by writing this?
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I might infer from your posts is that you think it's OK to let kids run wild in a restaurant or similar environment, and that others should just put up with it. Is that what you actually think?

Of course he doesn't. No need to provoke on an issue that, in all honesty, everyone basically agrees on.
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