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Old 01.06.2019, 15:28
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The idea that sugar makes kids immediately hyperactive has been disproven by experiment, and I don't know how you think that salt could have any such effect. Unhealthy,, yes, but causing them to go 'batty', I don't think so.
Kids are often dehydrated at meals times and sugary syrup or fizzy drinks don't hydrate, and with extra salt in processed food added to the dehydration, it will certainly drive them batty.
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I have never understood why kids can't have a smaller version of an adult dish.
In a 'proper restaurant' where everything is cooked from scratch, they often can if you ask for it. In a lot of other establishments, the base of the dish might be mass provided by a company such as Brakes (in the UK), then adapted to make it appear unique to the restaurant. In that case, a full portion often has to be used to provide the customer with a half portion, or the waiting staff don't have the authority to serve a half portion, or the manager thinks it's too much hassle working out the costing/waste/etc at the end of the day.

I know it's crazy and bad customer service, but it's largely to do with costings, etc, which is why I often go for a couple of starters if half portions aren't shown on the menu.

Going back to your earlier post, I'm one of the messiest diners I know, but that's purely down to sheer clumsiness in my part, so I almost always wear black if I'm dining out, and always clean up after myself. I really wish it was socially acceptable to wear a clip on plastic bib with a lip on the end to catch food before it disappears down my bra. Just one example is the time I was stabbing my way through a particularly stubborn lemon meringue pie base, and accidentally launched a counsiderable piece clean over my shoulder. It landed in the hat brim of the lady sitting behind me. She didn't notice and I definitely wasn't going to tell her.
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Old 01.06.2019, 15:46
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I think the salt and sugar levels in kids processed food can send them batty. By the by, didn't Swiss Dentists a few years ago complain about the free syrup available everywhere and the increase of rotten teeth in small kids? Sugar and additives in food can have an harmful effect on kids behaviour and health, no question.
I think the jury is still out on whether sugar makes kids hyper. There were some studies done that suggested it could be a myth. It was a QI question ages ago so you can blame Stephen Fry if I’m wrong...

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My kids have been eating from the adult menu for a few years now. The kids menus are mostly awful.

I have never understood why kids can't have a smaller version of an adult dish.
While appetites were still small we used to ask for a second plate and share out our meals and the restaurant used to tap us a few extra veg or mash.

We found the worst place for deep fried everything was Australia. Even the high end places seem to be useless at catering for kids. They were always friendly when we asked them for mini portions of our stuff, though.
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Old 01.06.2019, 15:48
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Just one example is the time I was stabbing my way through a particularly stubborn lemon meringue pie base, and accidentally launched a counsiderable piece clean over my shoulder. It landed in the hat brim of the lady sitting behind me. She didn't notice and I definitely wasn't going to tell her.
Sodding cherry tomatoes. Equally fraught with ballistic danger when faced with a fork...
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Old 01.06.2019, 16:10
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I think the jury is still out on whether sugar makes kids hyper. There were some studies done that suggested it could be a myth. It was a QI question ages ago so you can blame Stephen Fry if I’m wrong...
The sensitivity of the gut and the damage done by foods over time are only recently being fully recognised and taken more seriously.
Many parents know full well how refined sugar and processed empty-calorie food can dull their children, make them grumpy and have a negative effect on behaviour.

And I totally agree, one should never go at a cherry tomato with a fork..

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Old 01.06.2019, 16:32
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The sensitivity of the gut and the damage done by foods over time are only recently being fully recognised and taken more seriously.
Many parents know full well how refined sugar and processed empty-calorie food can dull their children, make them grumpy and have a negative effect on behaviour.

And I totally agree, one should go at a cherry tomato with a fork..
Agree with the gut-rot deep fried stuff. That’s a digestive killer for anyone.

I think the QI reference was that it was a myth that kids consume a sugar-laden snack then suddenly start climbing the walls, not the issue of long-term use / damage.

Edit - found the science bit... https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gro...arenting-myths

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Old 01.06.2019, 17:21
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Re: Restaurant doesn't want me to eat there because of my kids

I think a kid who has a damaged and sensitive gut can eat a sugar snack and feel unwell, become dull or go batty.

I don't think it is as simple as sugar = hyperactivity. A lot more is going on with the adverse effects of highly processed food on the gut. The scientific world has
finally woken up to the need for in-depth clinical studies and evidence rather than remain with the limited knowledge from older studies and their measurements.
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Old 01.06.2019, 17:28
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Sodding cherry tomatoes. Equally fraught with ballistic danger when faced with a fork...
Once accidentally launched a radish but it landed on someone's plate two tables away so I'm claiming it as a goal.
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Old 01.06.2019, 17:45
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I think the jury is still out on whether sugar makes kids hyper.
Depends on where you select the jury, perhaps, but a shedload of experiments have failed to find any link.

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The sensitivity of the gut and the damage done by foods over time are only recently being fully recognised and taken more seriously.
But have nothing to do with kids behaviour in restaurants, which you were originally suggesting.

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Many parents know full well how refined sugar and processed empty-calorie food can dull their children, make them grumpy and have a negative effect on behaviour.
Read some of the experiments - in nearly all cases a parent's perception of this is based on what they _think_ the kids have been eating, not what they've actually had. If you look for signs of a kid being grumpy you will usually find them, so the myth is perpetuated by parents who 'know', but are actually wrong.
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I have never understood why kids can't have a smaller version of an adult dish.
I have never understood why I can’t have a smaller version of an adult dish. I prefer quality over quantity.
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Old 01.06.2019, 17:50
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I think a kid who has a damaged and sensitive gut can eat a sugar snack and feel unwell, become dull or go batty.
I think I probably know your feelings on E numbers and the likes. Just two little stories for you...

Back when I used to work in a crumpet factory, a certain client who are famed for their high end meal deals, decided to remove all their E numbers and sent us a batch of their new product to replace them, but they got the measurements wrong. When we did the trial batch, they came out bright orange and totally inedible, so we did a little research and found that, in the wrong quantity, this additive (which they claimed came from 'natural resources') could cause heart palpitations. We stopped using it immediately and had to do a complete cleanse of all the equipment before making stuff for our other clients. Turned out they'd put the decimal point in the wrong place and we'd been instructed to use it at 100x the correct strength.

After loads of customer complaints, they replaced it with super strength concentrated vinegar. This required a £100k+ investment in new storage facilities and breathing apparatus available for anyone who oversaw the delivery, which was in tankers with loads of acid hazard signs on the tail. This was all despite serious concerns raised by our H&S people when they'd read the COSHH reports on both additives. Thousands of complaints later, they went back to the same recipe as everyone else where the only preservative was a pinch of salt.
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The idea that sugar makes kids immediately hyperactive has been disproven by experiment, and I don't know how you think that salt could have any such effect. Unhealthy,, yes, but causing them to go 'batty', I don't think so.
Well those experimenters need to see Little Rufus about 20 minutes after she's had fully loaded ketchup. She usually has the reduced sugar stuff.

I know, I know. I should make my own and anyway ketchup is a condiment of the devil...
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Old 01.06.2019, 19:28
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Sodding cherry tomatoes. Equally fraught with ballistic danger when faced with a fork...
Only if you are incompetent.

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Well those experimenters need to see Little Rufus about 20 minutes after she's had fully loaded ketchup. She usually has the reduced sugar stuff.

I know, I know. I should make my own and anyway ketchup is a condiment of the devil...
The amount of sugar that goes into ketchup is simply astonishing. We also have use low sugar one.
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I should make my own and anyway ketchup is a condiment of the devil...
Blasphemy!

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Oh I like it. I was just, you know, channelling. I do personally prefer mayo on my fish fingers though.
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Can you tell me how to do it? Thanks in advance!
It is a fair request.

I do have an MO that works - 'if you show me that you can eat in a civilized way in public, then you are allowed to eat however you want at home (and clean up after yourself)'. It works geniously.

I did regret this trick a fair amount, but kids will spend an unproportional portion of life behaving, rather than savaging, so let them have it. It creates amazing manners in public: ' See, I CAN do it!'
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Once accidentally launched a radish but it landed on someone's plate two tables away so I'm claiming it as a goal.


I'm claiming bullshit
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Rubbish. Letting your kids run free and throw food all over the floor is completely unacceptable. The restaurant has tolerated them up until now but clearly has had enough.



Quite right. Expecting sympathy for this is like expecting a restaurant to allow uncontrolled children to run riot and make a mess all over the place. Not gonna happen.



I don't mind the small children, as long as the parents are in proper control of them.
It seems they had a reason for declaring you persona non grata. You did what I would do- gave the facts on websites tol vent your anger. But bottom line, lie you, I would not attempt to go back where I was not wanted.
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