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Hi everyone,

I've just moved to Switzerland (several months ago, let's skip the part about the town) and had a bad time all the way with everything that I was necessary to have/to do/to order/etc. but it is just called "unfortunate" and let's say shit happens and blah/blah, so, live continues but I don't think about Switzerland in general something bad because of that.
The most important thing that is unfortunately happened to me too is renting part.

Let me explain the story briefly and I will appreciate any reasonable advice from you folks because I saw that the community of this forum is really great and I like it.

So, I was living in a temporary apartment and after six applications I finally got lucky to be chosen and the apartment itself got lots of issues even if it quite modern and new and the area is absolutely great, so, I thought, it is a quite good deal. Unfortunately not.

In the next several weeks after returning home on Sunday at 2 AM I noticed big scratches on the wall near to the apartment entrance. I was terrified by that. I asked landlord but again unfortunately they don't wanna do too much for you. Ok, screw it. I was just wondering, why somebody did that terrible "vandal" thing because I was living only for several weeks and I had no TV or something connected to music in order to produce noise and to disturbe someone. Screw it again.

After that, I was contacted by my neighbour (2 floors difference, so, not the direct one). And it turns out that they have the same scratches and moreover they know who is that (the guy between us) and they were terrified by them within 3 months already and not only but scratches (on the wall and on the door) and broken nameplate but also buy screaming during the night and some really heavy noise. As I understood police did nothing about it and after me explaining it to the landlord they also don't react quickly and walls won't be fixed for sure because it is not the right time for them to fix anything related to the building. Screw it. Oh, I forgot to mention, my rug was stolen also and their too. Then I found it and then it was stolen again and I gave up. Screw it.

Last night, I woke up, oh gosh, it is really traumatizing to be awake due to some heavy noise and screams and I just experienced it. I record a bit of it on my camera and it caught some noise definitely. After that night these (2 floors difference) neighbours found new scratches and I would say it looks horrible.

Ok, maybe this guy is crazy, but I suppose he pays the same (quite high) amount of money but no one was able to see him and he doesn't open the door as they told me.

Now I become a bit crazy because first of all I don't sleep well during summer time because of allergy but even tho I experience that horrible thing that even worse then to be awake due to allergy.

Please don't try to convince to talk to him, it is not possible. I would like to make something horrible on his walls or door or leave a message but first of all I am an accurate guy who likes cleanness and respect everyone around and secondly it will make me the same and moreover will make the whole situation even worse.

Off course I am going to send my video to the landlord but till today nothing serious was done to prevent this. I waste lots of time for that case and my nervous too because I thought after coming to Switzerland I will enjoy it but till now I am literally not.

About moving out, I would like to but again now we have a contract issue. 3 month notice, and also I have the following phrase on the my contract: "3 months notice after 1 year of living" which I don't understand and the landlord didn't give me any explanation for now what will be if I want to leave it before 1 year of living, do you know? Because the contract itself doesn't say anything related to this and this phrase is mentioned once with 3 months period part.

As I said I will appreciate any reasonable advice... Install cameras? But it is not allowed without agreement from landlord's side and I don't wanna spend any extra money now for that. The letter to the landlord? We sent it with two other signs from different neighbours because not only we were affected.

I am still questioning myself: why after reading so many positive things I was the chosen one to make it untrue...
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Old 23.06.2019, 13:48
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Find a nachmieter and a new apartment.

Not much else to do.
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Old 23.06.2019, 13:53
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Talk to the Mieterverband and join them. The rug may have been taken by the Hausmeister, not every flat is allowed one in front of your door....

Good luck
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What's about 1-year living thing mentioned on my contract? This is the only thing that mentioned about anything related to rules for moving out: please see the attached pdf with an image. Screen Shot 2019-06-23 at 13.58.21.png.pdf

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I don't want to spend my nervous for them and I heard that they are not so helpful.

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The rug may have been taken by the Hausmeister, not every flat is allowed one in front of your door....
Not possible because my direct neighbors and lots of people on the same floor and on the other floors have them. It was stolen from particular apartments which are connected by scratches. So, it is definitely a psycho pattern.

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Old 23.06.2019, 14:10
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Dunno why no-one has suggested that you report it to the police?

Maybe the UKers among us (given the revelations of the past day concerning who they want to vote in as PM to represent them any EU negotiations)

Of course you need to report it to the police.
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Old 23.06.2019, 14:25
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Dunno why no-one has suggested that you report it to the police?

Maybe the UKers among us (given the revelations of the past day concerning who they want to vote in as PM to represent them any EU negotiations)

Of course you need to report it to the police.
As I got it from neighbors they did called before and it didn't help. Of course now we have damaged walls but we cannot prove that he did that.
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Old 23.06.2019, 14:26
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What's about 1-year living thing mentioned on my contract?
Exactly what it says, what's not to understand?

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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

What if I want to leave only after 6 months of leaving with providing a tenant? Will I break any contract's rules or it will be some fee? I cannot just be like in prison, right?
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What if I want to leave only after 6 months of leaving with providing a tenant? Will I break any contract's rules or it will be some fee? I cannot just be like in prison, right?
Either you follow the contract or you find somebody who takes over your contract.
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Either you follow the contract or you find somebody who takes over your contract.
Yes, I am talking about that.
So, I just need to find a tenant who is going to sign the contract with all current rules, right? I mean I don't need to live within a year just because the contract says that and in any case, I will need to find a tenant if I don't want to overpay (before the year of living or after)

If the landlord is not going to kick him out then it automatically kicks me out because I will become crazy then too.
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Old 23.06.2019, 15:44
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

2 things ( I speak from experience, our first two years in Switzerland were hell, but neighbour did end in prison...for more serious offences than scratches, though!): 1. Keep a diary of every incident, however trivial, with date and time. Very important for later. Once you've recorded a substantial list of incidents, it shows a pattern and therefore that harassment is established 2. Write a letter to the landlord again, stating your fear for your own safety as clearly there are activities going round that go beyond trivial harassment. VERY IMPORTANT: on every letter you write, put CC your national embassy with full address (even if you don't actually copy your embassy, it doesn't matter - it sends a strong signal!) as well as Prosecutor's office if the Police cannot or don't want to be involved. It worked in our case.
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Old 23.06.2019, 15:53
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As I got it from neighbors they did called before and it didn't help. Of course now we have damaged walls but we cannot prove that he did that.
Make a police report anyway.

Yes, it is common that nothing comes of a police report... but if the police receive many reports, from several sources, there is hope that eventually something might be looked into.

That happened in the neighborhood I used to live in. Initial reports of threatening behavior were brushed off as 'oh, he's likely harmless'. But finally enough people complained to justify action.

Making a report now, even it if too is ignored, might mean that they will listen in the future should things escalate.

Hope a solution is found.
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Prison? Jesus Christ. I thought here it's not normal to be able to go to that level. I already recorded everything and told agency that something is willing because all these events were even before me but now it goes to the next level with all these scratches and damaged and they told me that they will decide somewhere in the future if they need to do and I told them that I don't care about my rug, I just want to feel safe but now I really don't (this was over if the reasons to choose Switzerland instead of other countries). Now I need to think how to find a new apartment without overpayment. Hope all this sh*t will make me stronger.
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Sorry for mistakes. T9 thing..
# something is willing
* something is going on

# need to do
* need to do anything


# this was over if the reasons
* this was one of the reasons
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As I got it from neighbors they did called before
Not good enough.

Now let's put the facts on the table shall we? You are stuck in a contract in which you have signed a legally binding agreement to the rental agency / person that states you've agreed to live in that property for a minimum of 1 year. After this 1 year, you can quit your apartment (probably at certain times of the year, giving 3 months advanced notice.

Now you have a change of heart / circumstances, and want to F-off out of this legally binding contract.

Right?

Doesn't avoid the fact that you need to report these incidents to the police.

Unfortunately no-one knows usually who their neighbours are when moving into a flat.
Personally, I'd never sign a 1 year minimum contract.

In addition to reporting to the police, you should also ask the rental agent (Vermieter) whether you are able to get out of the contract if you provide another, suitable, tenant. (and good luck to them).

Have also been through shyt in my time here with neighbours, for various reasons. You are stuck with what you have signed, unless you can negotiate with the rental agency / owner for a mutually agreeable solution.

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Not good enough.

Now let's put the facts on the table shall we? You are stuck in a contract in which you have signed a legally binding agreement to the rental agency / person that states you've agreed to live in that property for a minimum of 1 year. After this 1 year, you can quit your apartment (probably at certain times of the year, giving 3 months advanced notice.

Now you have a change of heart / circumstances, and want to F-off out of this legally binding contract.

Right?

Doesn't avoid the fact that you need to report these incidents to the police
First of all, I don't get stuck. As I said my contract doesn't say what will be consequences if I wanna leave before 1-year of living. It cannot be a prison and even if it is then at some comfortable things should be established by agency but currently they violate the fact of making that house suitable for living.

Secondly, I would like to report it but I have never liked the idea to go to that level...

Please don't think that I am trying to escape, I try to resolve that but I don't want to provoke someone for even crazier things.
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First of all, I don't get stuck. As I said my contract doesn't say what will be consequences if I wanna leave before 1-year of living. It cannot be a prison and even if it is then at some comfortable things should be established by agency but currently they violate the fact of making that house suitable for living.
1. You are overreacting imho.

2. You are not a prisoner, you can live wherever you please as long as you pay them a year of rent or find somebody who takes over your contract.
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

Yes, this is what I wanted to hear

Of course, I overreacting... It sucked all my forces and nerves.

So, as sum up we have:
1. Go to the police several times - is it somehow affects then an opportunity to receive C permit (currently B)?
2. Contact seriously the agency - did several times, have no idea why such irresponsible people rule the whole building...
3. Moving out with a replacement - it is an option, the scariest part is to find an apartment that will be available like within a month or two in order to find a replacement that will be ready to move in in the same period of time to avoid overpayment.

Thanks anyway everyone, as I thought, here people are really supportive. I wish all swiss people from different organizations were the same...
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Sorry for mistakes. T9 thing..
# something is willing
* something is going on

# need to do
* need to do anything


# this was over if the reasons
* this was one of the reasons
I have to ask, but from your punctuation you are from India right?
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Re: Psycho/crazy neigbor

I’m sorry but did I miss something, all that’s happened so far is scream in the night and some scratches on the wall which could have been caused by a number of things like moving furniture etc.? Has he harassed you or done anything wrong to you? Perhaps he is suffering a great loss or is going through a stressful time?

If this is really all you have - I would perhaps wait it out and see if it really is a problem before you escalate it further, otherwise the police or your landlord won’t take you seriously.
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