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Road rage

There's so much aggression out there on the roads. I wonder if it's always been like this. Anyway, perhaps like others on this forum, I've decided not to get involved, it's just not worth getting into a fight over.

I ride a Vespa to work, and this morning a guy in a fiat 500 was in front, weaving between lanes, sure enough, he's on the phone. I hate being around cars in these cases, it's so dangerous, so I take the other lane and go around him, up to the traffic lights.

What I shouldn't have done was to mime putting a phone down.

Cue the guy revving what was available to him, pulling alongside and furiously shouting at me asking what my problem was. I'm too tired in the morning to be scared, so I told him to put the phone down and turned away.

He just drove off. But man.... the *fury* in his eyes.

On the autobahn the other day similar, I'm overtaking, but not fast enough for mister AMG (who wasn't in rear view when I started overtaking in my mighty 1.6 litre beast), I pull in and just *look* at the guy.

FURY. He pulls in front of me and jams on the brakes until we almost stop, then dawdles at 10km an hour, so yeah, I overtake and he undertakes, does the same and then AMG's off into the distance.

I've got my 3 year old son in the car. My wife is perhaps even more furious with me than the guy - "what did you do"???, I just looked at the guy. Neutral expression.

My current thinking, be careful out there, any gestures just aren't worth it, you won't change behaviour and you just might get stabbed.

My tuppence for today.

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Re: Road rage

Seems like normal driving in Switzerland, probably lacking in certain areas of the anatomy.
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FURY. He pulls in front of me and jams on the brakes until we almost stop, then dawdles at 10km an hour, so yeah, I overtake and he undertakes, does the same and then AMG's off into the distance.

What rubbish

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Re: Road rage

Er, it wasn't, he did that causing a long queue behind and much tooting.
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Re: Road rage

Tempting as it might be to police other people (miming putting the phone down, etc), it rarely has a positive outcome and the person on the phone just sees a self-important busy-body Probably best just to inwardly roll your eyes and carry on with your day hoping that they cross paths with a copper whilst phoning another time.

Many moons ago my wise driving instructor gave me the advice that ‘you can’t drive peoples cars for them’, and he was spot on.

If it’s any consolation, it’s not just Switzerland. Having driven recently in Germany, Austria and the UK, it seems to be endemic wherever there are cars and phones. I saw a lorry driver on the M62 in the UK TEXTING whilst overtaking!
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Tempting as it might be to police other people (miming putting the phone down, etc), it rarely has a positive outcome and the person on the phone just sees a self-important busy-body Probably best just to inwardly roll your eyes and carry on with your day hoping that they cross paths with a copper whilst phoning another time.

Many moons ago my wise driving instructor gave me the advice that ‘you can’t drive peoples cars for them’, and he was spot on.

If it’s any consolation, it’s not just Switzerland. Having driven recently in Germany, Austria and the UK, it seems to be endemic wherever there are cars and phones. I saw a lorry driver on the M62 in the UK TEXTING whilst overtaking!
Yep - exactly, this is the conclusion I've come to. There's really no point in reacting. What's changed for me with these incidents is the realisation of the levels of anger out there.

I also agree it's not limited this part of the world, it's everywhere.

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Re: Road rage

I've a dash cam. Used it in one instance when a guy for no reason started to brake-check me (I just caught up to him on national roads, he was driving 60). I called the police and they stopped him 3 villages over.

Having said that, I find road rage in CH way less than in other countries I know. In case it happens, just ignore it and for serious cases (e.g. brake-checking, dangerous overtaking etc) just call the police (bonus point for having a dash cam for evidence).
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Re: Road rage

I think what's often missing from this sort of discussion is the idea that there's always a trigger. Yes, the other person's behaviour can easily become unacceptable, but instead of ranting on about it, look at your own driving and try to work out what caused the extreme reaction.

It's not the same as blaming yourself, or even acknowledging that you did anything wrong, but just a way of avoiding repeated incidents. If the other driver is annoyed with you, there must be something that they think you were doing, even if you're not aware of it, so try and work out what it was. There's always something you could have done differently...

So for example (not aimed at the OP or anyone in particular here), tailgating is one of the most common aggressive behaviours we see, and not acceptable, but if it's happening to you a lot then perhaps it's worth adapting your driving a little, like not sticking rigidly to the speed limit on your speedo when everyone else wants to go just a little bit faster, particularly if you're in the outside lane of a dual carriageway.
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Re: Road rage

I always drive with the attitude that all other drivers are complete idiots, will be on there phone and do the most stupid thing imaginable, occasionally though I still get caught out.

The thing that amuses me the most is the tailgaters who are almost touching your bumper, and when you pull in to let them past they then don't accelerate just sit there in complete shock that they now have to decide for themselves what speed they should go at, or better still the one that pull in behind even though they've been tailgating you for the last 1km or so,

Life is less stressful when you can find amusement in these situations.
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I always drive with the attitude that all other drivers are complete idiots, will be on there phone and do the most stupid thing imaginable, occasionally though I still get caught out.
This is what a driving instructor told me many years ago, only he added "and that includes the one looking back at you in the mirror!"
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What rubbish
This new zen approach also seemingly works with keyboard rage triggered by being called a liar.

Nice one.
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Re: Road rage

Blowing them a kiss is the best way to diffuse a road rage situation. They pull alongside honking and expecting the bird or some sort of retaliation and look stunned when blown a kiss. The look on their faces is priceless
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Re: Road rage

I've been driving for 53 years, 54 if you count a Lambretta. 30 of these years as a Swiss resident.

I think things have ratcheted up a bit today. Once there were no mobile phones to use while driving and people today are more stressed and the roads are fuller and the younger you are the more hot-headed you are.

I've done some dumb road ragey stuff over the years myself, but have now reached the stage of self-preservation and am a much calmer and considerate driver than I ever was - but no slower.

Also having witnessed accidents and the tragic results of accidents I would suggest that trying to instruct or tell off other drivers, however useless they are, is simply asking for trouble...
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Blowing them a kiss is the best way to diffuse a road rage situation. They pull alongside honking and expecting the bird or some sort of retaliation and look stunned when blown a kiss. The look on their faces is priceless
If there a list of illegal gestures which one shouldn't use in a car?

I appreciate that blowing a kiss could be seen as a harmless gesture to diffuse a situation but surely, in today's climate, it could be seen as sexual harassment - especially if the intended recipient is female.
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Re: Road rage

You live in CH, take his numberplate look it up on the internet and if you are so inclined and want to take the trouble, drive round to his place and at some point in the night fill his exhaust with mounting foam.
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You live in CH, take his numberplate look it up on the internet and if you are so inclined and want to take the trouble, drive round to his place and at some point in the night fill his exhaust with mounting foam.



You need more balls to do this than to confront somebody in a Fiat 500 on a phone !
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Re: Road rage

You're making quite the assumption based on the car in question.

Must have been his wifes - he was like a shaved ape hunched over in the driving seat.

Maybe that's why he was so angry.
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I think what's often missing from this sort of discussion is the idea that there's always a trigger. Yes, the other person's behaviour can easily become unacceptable, but instead of ranting on about it, look at your own driving and try to work out what caused the extreme reaction.
I completely agree - in both my cases I understand the trigger, one of which was deliberate. My point was rather to highlight the point that retaliation is not wise, and to see what others thought about that.

One should always self-reflect.

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Re: Road rage

Just drive defensively. Treat all other road users as though they're about to do something monumentally stupid. Never try to communicate with them.

If someone tailgates you - pull over when safe to do so while gradually reducing your speed (no brake-checking!). If someone is doing something like texting, make sure you are well away from them - either by speeding up or slowing down. Maintain lane discipline. Don't try to drive as fast as you can. If everyone is in the left hand lane, nose to tail, pull in the right hand lane and keep a safe stopping distance until the congestion clears up.

It's all about putting the health and safety of your passengers first. It also makes for a more relaxing drive.

I do this most of the time...
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Re: Road rage

Thai ad against road rage
https://youtu.be/otTkLIH5w94

and then there's this all-time favourite about becoming agitated about transport problems... or not... https://youtu.be/6nZMM4nMqyQ.
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