So you are saying that Ragù alla Bolognese does not contain tomatoes?

You know you are not from Italy but are actually from the U.S.

I was born nearer to Italy than you!

Yes.

Tomato paste, yes (a spponful or so), tomatoes, no.

As I said, unless you are not Italian. Do you also put cream in carbonara?

Tom

And what is tomato paste made from? Sausages?

I make mine from tomatoes, and so do all the Italians (real ones) I know.

No everything comes out of a packet like it does in your home country, the U.S.

Christ no.

I made carbonara two days ago and no, I did not put cream in it.

I ought to add that when I make game pie, I don't add swan, blackbird or heron. It's still a game pie though.

People move on, things change, tastes change, people adapt. Who actually cares whether a recipe is totally authentic or not (and that itself is debatable as most Italian families have their own recipes for these things with slightly different ingredients).

Indeed, but I learnt it from Italians in Italy, not in the US.

And UK food is as much from packets as the US, worst crap on the planet!

Meanwhile, I blow smoke in your general direction.

Next, you will try to tell me that haggis doesn't include offal!

Tom

It does in Italy.

And no, nobody in my family cooks from packets, it's more a limey thing.

Tom

If you two are involved it certainly will contain a lot a bloody waffle, that's for sure

I make Bolognese with tomatoes and Carbonara with cream.
I learned to make both by watching my Italian mother, nonna and bis zia.
Pray.. how do you make carbonara?

Regarding the initial subject, it is determining element to keep both the offending product and the tin itself so that the manufacturer knows which lot and batch and can trace it through the supply chain.

Also note that large manufacturing units may produce for several different customers which may turn out to be competitors (for instance the manufacturer could supply the same product to different supermarkets using that supermarkets labelling and packaging). Thus hypothetically more than one customer/supermarket could be affected by issue, hence the importance of the lot and batch.

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Who will win the Tom Tom Tomato battle?

Nobody is forced to buy any of that stuff in packets, in either country.

I have noticed that many recipes contain tinned tomatoes, actually. To be honest, this is among the last things I eat or would like to eat from the Italian cuisine. Minced meat with tomato something and pasta on top of it all, is somehow off-putting for me. I like a lot of other things from Italy, not this one though.

Carbonara is usually made with cream, what do you use? Can yourecommand a recipe? (I avoid cream not because I don't like it, but because I have weird reactions to some diary products)

Indeed.

It depends a lot on which region or even which particularly place some recipes come from. Italy is not really that different from other countries in this regard...

Well, in the original carbonara recipe, there is definitely no cream. As there was none in most traditional Roman dishes like caccio e pepe, gricia etc. The creaminess comes from the guanciale or pancetta and the cheese (pecorino and/or parmigiano).
For once, Wikipedia outlines it rather correctly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonara

Of course, as with many things in Italy, personal variations etc. exist

Egg yolk, as per the official recipe:

https://enjoyfoodwine.com/carbonarad...eal-carbonara/



Tom

It's amazing where you end up on google after reading interesting posts on this forum. Apparently, according to Accademia Italiana della Cucina, the registered recipe also contains milk, with an optional full litre of milk after cooking.

You (well, "I") learn something new every day.

Thanks, st2lemans.

I also checked on the internet "Antonio Carluccio" (this is an Italian chef whose films my food loving husband has watched many a time) and "Carbonara" (as this isn't a recipe we cooked many times at home for reasons I mentioned above) and found this simple, classic Roman recipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAdKl1UYZs

You can actually make it only with Parmigiano, that's good.

I'm surprised Stlemans didn't groan you for this. How can your Italian mother, aunt and grandmother get it so wrong?


I got red blobbed by St1lemans on this thread. He obviously feels very insecure.

That was so funny! Guys, you're cute.
I approve anyone who stands up to st2lemans, in case you are wondering. I'm kidding.

They're not blobs, they're cherry tomatoes

If there from him, they're more likely to be San Marzano tomatoes.